Listen to what Nick says and ignore others - Barrick
is for dead heads.
For down under, and if you have strong nerves, I would
suggest Ramsgate or Delta, but Nick may have better
ideas.
In RSA - there are so many I dont know where to start.
Randfontein, Rangold ( !! ) , Vaal. For conservative
chaps
- suggest Anglo american, the worlds biggest resource
company - produces almost as much gold as the USA,
maybe half the worlds platinum, Diamonds, manganese,
and even coal. Diversified hey.
Many Americans do not know of this company ( among
many other things ) . Perhaps this is due to limited
information they receive from media ( need to know
basis old chap ) or a general dulling of senses caused
by listening to too many of Clinton's speeches,
eating too much fast food, or having watched too many
episodes of LA Law.
Thanks for congrats on Yen trade.
I mean lots of disrespect - get yourself a calculator - do some
simple math - stop spouting conventional wisdom - think and study
before you speak, little grasshopper.
Buy what you like and crash and burn -
I assume they call you that because you've been knocked out so
many times.
with him - You reference to "patriotism" is dumbo ^2. I was born in
Richmond,VA - and carry an Aussie passport. _ But Ive Never bought
a NA gold mine - When I have time - Ill show you how to calculate
actual and irrefutable gold mining COSTS. In the meantime dont post
me and figure it out for yourself using "logic".
My comment - You Got B*LLS.
Great gold call - However - you may want to consider Rangold -
holds DD plus Harmony - and is at a considerable discount to asset
value.
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Good luck, or do you prefer Franco Nevada?
I read KO's paper with great interest - Before I began
my special course for the fifth time on how to assess
value of mines, I have a little quizzie for you three
boys.
You say barrick has costs of 200 $/oz and we ALL
know how great they are at selling forward ( and busting
the market ) now dont we kiddies - so we can assume
revenue of 410$/oz. But if I look at their results
well HOLY COW they lost 0.28$/share. Now you 3 kiddies
put your little headies together and tell me why
they didnt make a profit of 210$/oz on their production.
Quizzie no 2. KO ( better known as roundheels ) says that
asa ( which is not a mining co but an investment co ) has
high costs etc --- But in the same environment as ABX,
ASA had earnings of $0.99 per share while good old ABX
lost money. Now how does that work kiddies ??
Quizzie no 3 - KO says he likes companies with little
debt
Well abx has 500 mill $ debt. ASA has zero debt. ASA's
underlying companies mainly anglos have ZERO debt. So
why did KO say that - beats the hell outta me. Tell me
why KO??
Now Im going out for a while. I hope you have the
answer to my questions by the time I get back or you
flunk.
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Tokyo Stks Plunge At Close On Bankruptcy Fears; Nikkei -5.2%
TOKYO ( Dow Jones ) -Tokyo stocks plunged at the close Friday, with the
Nikkei average ending down 5.2%, after Thursday's failure of foodstuffs
distributor Toshoku Ltd. triggered panic selling of shares in companies
seen as financially weak.
A fella was in the market to buy some acreage. He found just what he was looking for, but it was a little expensive. During an inspection of the property, however, he found a hive of bees. He told the owner that he was deathly afraid of bees, and there was no way he could consider this piece of land. The landowner assured him that the bees were completely harmless, but the buyer would have no part of it.
Finally, the landowner made an offer. The buyer would allow himself to be tied to a tree for an hour, nude, under the nest. So sure of the friendliness of his bees was the farmer that if ONE bee were to sting him, the farm would be his for free. The buyer thought it over and decided it was worth the risk.
An hour later, the farmer walked out to the tree and saw the poor buyer slumped over in his bindings. Fearing the worst, he ran up to him and asked him if he had been stung.
The city fella looked up and weakly said, "No, but doesn't that calf have a mother?"
Two old ladies were waiting for a bus and one of them was smoking a cigarette. It started to rain, so the old lady reached into her purse and pulled out a condom, cut off the tip and slipped it over her cigarette and continued to smoke. Her friend saw this and said, "Hey, now that's a good idea! What is that your putting over your cigarette?" The other old lady said, "It's a condom." "A condom? Where do you get those?" The lady with the cigarette told her that she could purchase them at a pharmacy. When the two old ladies arrived downtown, the old lady with all the questions went into the pharmacy and asked the pharmacist if he sold condoms . The pharmacist said yes, but looked a little surprised that this little old lady was interested in condoms. He asked her, "what size do you want?" The old lady thought for a moment and said, "one that will fit a Camel."
It appears that Japan needs $75 billions ( according to their announced plan, re: banking failures etc. ) If that is the case we will see yields down to 5.60 level before long.
What are the implications?
Firstly Japan's troubles could be deeper than estimated do to unwounding of derivatives thus more than the projected $75 bn will have to be sold.
Who's going to buy? the Feds?
Secondly HongKong, who has been put in the 'background' sooner than later are going to join the tailspin, as the currency devaluations of their neighbours take a toll at their exports. Tourism to HongKong is down dramatically ( service industry is the MAIN employer ) . Property values plunging and interest rates rising. How long before we see the 'unpegging of the HK $ to the US $.
How long before the speculators renew their attack on Hong Kong? When?
HongKong has over 80 billion US $ in reserve. Are they going to dump US $? Who's going to buy? the Feds?
With US trade deficit to balloon in 1998 due to currency devaluations and foreigners, curtailment of US bonds purchases. Who's going to buy ? the Feds?
Brazil, Canada, Mexico ( US's biggest trading partners are on the 'ropes'
Their currencies threatened ( less US imports, more exports ) their stockmarket threatened and tanking!
That leaves the Abby Cohen's, Battipaglia, Grenville Dow bubble. Yes the "New Paradigm" is here!
The US stock market will tank ! The US $ will tank!
Let these 'SUCKERS' buy US bonds and stocks! Let them continue 'shorting gold!'. Let the IMF SELL ( they did in 1979 before gold took off to over $800. )
Goldbugs will emerge VICTORIOUS! We're on the WINNING SIDE! The blood on the streets is not going to be those of GOLDBUGS.
GOLD has not lost a WAR only small battles throughout history.
BUY THE PHYSICAL!
Go gold.
There are trillions of pieces of paper looking for a home, a modest shift out of equities into the metals will result in a upward shock to these shares. Tangibles, things will become valuable. People will look to do anything but be in paper. But there are a great many lemmings. Let me ask you a question. What American in their right mind would buy their own debt at this point? It is a losing proposition from the get go.
I love silver and think it truly is the buy of a lifetime. I also like the BEARX fund. Mr. Tice is no dummy and this fund will be fabulous in a serious downturn.
Gold, I don't think I have to say anything there. In addition I don't think I need to mention that I think everybody ought to have physical to go along with mining shares.
The mining shares will become the darlings of the day IMHO. Also cash on hand will be valuable for a while, set up wire transfer activities in all of your systems so you can make immediate tranfers as you see fit. There will be a time to make money and then a time to preserve assets. The time in between is where fortunes can be made.
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT GET GREEDY! Take your time, relax and be firm in your decisions. Don't look back and have compassion for the lemmings.
Get Camdesuss that smeller of dog's bottoms.
keep up interest in those US Treaseries. Good time for the Feds to buy some Blue Chip High Tecs. and give the DOW a much needed boost.
Maybe this is a real stupid question but HOW do the Feds buy some blue chip high techs and give the Dow a boost ? Does the government just buy stock or do they have their "friends" at the big Wall St. firms do
it ? I am serious about this question; I just don't understand how it works .
To all others; thanks for your answers and patience with a newbiew.
especially enjoyed Arden's post last night re the Comex although I had
to read it half a dozen times to appreciate what he was saying and even though I'm not sure I got it all.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........I'm curious.....is it too early? ...or too late...
away...to the tug-o-war
notbudging
You can use priority mail D.A. when the time comes...I don't mind......or perhaps you should use third class mail........more apropos?
Got SandP puts
RSA golds and Plats
Gods in his heaven
Alls right with the World
Hey anybody see Flash, bender, and roundheels ?? Have I gotta
flunk those those buggers for not answering my question ??
hmmmm.....out-of-the-money gold calls......in JUNE.....harhar. That's a good one.
away...to have tea with AG and Spuds
laughing
At least Gold isn't tanking with the rest of the market ( yet ) . Currently up 50 cents.
600pts, really?......what market are you looking at??!??
away...to scratch my damned head
rollingnow
All: I am at a loss to decide whether deflation from SE Asia or inflation from the dollar will hit us first. Did you see that cry0 dropped more than one dollar? Perhaps AG can't turn on the electronic printing presses fast enough. Hard to believe, though.
D.A. Any opinions about being long commodities at this time?
As to a possible pending market crash, I will hang on to my gold stock investments ( 15% of cash ) - even if the Tsunami hits. May gradually buy some more gold stocks if the market turns into a Bear.
I think this time gold stocks will recover much more quickly than in 1987. More like 1929. There is a sea change occurring, and the world will eventually go back to a gold-backed currency. Best proof of this is the 9 tonnes of gold that the Japanese bought in the last 12 months. Don't forget those gold traders that got arrested somewhere in SE Asia for exporting gold to buy US dollars.
Ok tough guy, you picked a really good US stock - Franco Nevada is also
just as good. I like Prime a lot too.
I repeat I mentioned Barrick and asked you a question. You cant answer
it.
So we'll change the quiz question. The mining jounal gives the following
costs for Prime,Barrick, and ASA. - 173, 191 , and 269.
The eps for the 3 companies are -0.28 for abx,$0.31 for prime, $0.99
for ASA. ASA also paid $1.2 div vs .06 for Prime , amd .08 for
ABX,
Why does ASA have so high an eps with such high costs??
Why do you say RSA stocks have lots of debt - Did you say that ??
Because they dont.
Im not really mad at you, KO just bored, and annoyed by your
moniker.
This is the kind of disaster that we Y2K programmers have been trying to warn the world about since 1990. The flow of information depends so heavily upon these flows of electrons, and yet we programmers, yeah, that's us, down here in the electronic plumbing with the sweaty overalls and the greasy wrenches, cannot get the powers-that-be to pay any attention. Once the flow is cut off, and the pipes start backing up, there will be a lot of smelly stuff backing out of the government's financial toilets. "Flush it again, maybe the problem will go away..." We are Roto-Rooter, and we are being told to sit on our hands.
Don't light any matches in the high-methane restrooms...
that - wow "vested self interest" - I just LOVE it. You are ONE
BIG cliche. ( like they say in outer space "Deja Vu all over again"
oboyoboy )
For Rob - Re Platexco. I just dont know anything about what they
are doing. Are they exploring in RSA or Zimbabwe??
A seemlingly trivial event can be the last straw, and it may be completely unexpected. Now that another solar cycle has begun, an electronic disruption of the markets due to a solar flare is also possible.
I don't have a clue regarding whether anyone is trying to reduce world-wide derivatives activity -- to reduce risk. I doubt it!
No matter how sophisticated you make the system, you will eventually reach its limits if the volume keeps growing. And -- if the OTC derivatives business is doubling every two years, it does not take a Phd Electrical or Systems Engineer to figure out that a saturation point may be reached before anyone is aware that it happened. A sudden surge of some kind, and its all over!
A "Certain Someone" made a comment to the effect that
the NA mines are so much more expensive than the
SA mines because SA is "politically unstable".
This is wrong.
SA only produces about 40% of the worlds gold and some
25 odd years of past production lies above ground. No
big concern over RSA somehow becoming overun by PUs
( politically unstables ) and in some crazy way closing
down their own mines in a fit of mad frenzy.
But lets say ok and humour this nutcase argument-
and the possibilty of PUs or cannibals or aliens is
higher here than in say Florida. Then why is Platinum
so cheap ??? fellows - RSA produces 75% of the worlds
plats and there is almost none above ground and the rest
comes from russia. IF PUs come along and cut our heads
off then all the worlds plats is gone ( not to mention
our heads ) - why is it not being stockpiled ??
Answer - because the argument is hogwash. The less
said about it the better.
The REAL reason for NA mines being overpriced is that
Americans are grossly misinformed. They seem to like it
that way. Okay by me. Go back to watching Oprah
,reading the Marine Handbook, and wallowing in conventional
wisdom.
Never do Business with an Armenian
Never Marry a Hungarian
Never Have a Ship on the Black Sea
Never buy land in Turkey
Lebanese Proverb
Salty - Where do I sign up for the Indecisive Party
ATTENTION SOOTHSAYERS AND CASTERS OF RUNES.
The gold/silver ratio began its collapse at 76.5.
It has now cleared a ratio a 47.1 and risen ever so
slightly.
IF a soothsayer divides 47.1/76.5 what does he get -
The Fearsome Number - 0.618 the reciprocal of which is
1.618 -- ITS THE BIG FIBO. Watch out silver - here
comes GOLD.
Whenever the equity markets plummet the investors wait for the buying opportunity which is always around the next dip.
Pavlov's Dog was trained by reinforcement of the same pattern over and over. Did anyone ever wonder what happened to the Dog when
Pavlov stopped reinforcing the same trained response? Well I am sure the dog put his tail between
his/her legs and just crawled away and died because all meaning of life was finished. Well everyone,
the big players are reinforcing the ma, pa and babyboomer investors again.
I think the greatest things the Wall Street establishment ever dreamed up, are the derivatives. They get you coming and going.
The problem that I have is determining the point that the manipulation is going to end. It seems that with today's market behavior
we may be seeing a tremendous buying opportunity. This opportunity is once in a lifetime. I would not be
surprised that the market forces have called Santa Claus to deliver the
last present of this millenium. A skyrocketing stock market. The only
problem that Santa has is just like when Pavlov's dog died without constant reinforcement, the rocket will die because
Santa may not have packaged enough rocket fuel!!!!!
The key question is..when will the establishement say "THE PARTY IS OVER"?
For Mr Crunch
Sadly I never had the pleasure. I know of a drink called Van der
Humm ( I thought ) - kind of spicy liqueur. Am I off base ??
I find your posting on platinum and the yen the most incomprehensible
thing I have ever read. I will keep it among my souvenirs. It is
priceless - You certainly have your own way of looking at things.
This is not a game, this is about freedom of choice, your's individually vs. their's as a collective of unknowns that know what's best for you the individual.
My fondest wish is that they all have accidents over the weekend so that we can all live happily ever after in a world without "them."
Get Camdesuss! That would be a minor start in the proper direction. In a dream Karlito is driving Camdesuss as they go over the cliff with Buddy still howling his discontent at Camdesuss's vulgarity and intrusion upon his dog-hood.
Unemployment the sore point of 1997 economy. Now what about '98?
OTTAWA ( CP ) - Anne Libby cashed in on the stock market in 1997. She reaped the rewards of a red-hot economy thanks to the success of the financial services sector as fund managers snapped up paintings at her Toronto art gallery like Bre-X shares before the sham was exposed.
"I only meet people when things have gone well for them," says Libby, whose customers spend up to $125,000 on a canvas.
With the six major banks reporting a record $7.5 billion in profits, and other corporate highs in 1997, it's a wonder Libby could keep frames on the walls.
http://canoe2.canoe.ca/NationalTicker/CANOE-wire.YEAR-Economy.html
Hope the day goes better for you -- your unique posting style is, I think appreciated by most on this site. Don't let the antics of the PPT get you down. You will make more money in gold stocks if the AG RR team keeps everything going a bit longer. I for one prefer a graceful fall to the precipice anyway -- if it can be arranged.
I enjoyed another point FV made - that he does not consider gold oversold! Rather, he considers something else alltogether differently, namely ( reading between the lines ) that the CB's just oversupplied gold and pushed the market way down. He also thinks that investment demand for gold will not pick up for some time, but we will have a gold rally anyway ( possibly a big one ) simply becuse gold has been pushed down so much. If I understand correctly, he is not clear on why the CB's sold their gold outside the BIS, and why they sold so much of it. He also said that the managers of the Bank of Switzerland actually wanted to sell gold -- because they saw it as a non-producing asset -- but that the average Swiss would never approve gold sales anyway. Now if the Swiss bankers feel this way about gold, that could explain the CB gold sales in other countries. I liked one other point, and that is -- that although EURO gold will stay in the respective country ( except 15%? ) the EURO CB will make all decisions about buying and selling gold, not the member country. I wonder if this has been approved by the general european public. I doubt if that would ber permitted in the UK or the USA. ( I wonder -- do we really have any gold in Ft Knox, anyway? )
Silver: The trend is obviously up! The only question is, do we consider silver to be in a channel going up at a reasonable 40% per year, with a temporary breakout as we had with platinum and palladium due to squeezes, or can we really believe silver is a new channel heading up at a raging 130%/year.
Platinum: I don't know. I'm inclined to leave the channel the way it is, and blame the breakout on some yet unnamed cause. Platinum has recovered and is back in the -80% channel. The Yen really gives no clues. The trend in the Yen is indeterminate at the moment.
Palladium: Finally catching up with platinum. Although the steep decline has been interrupted, it has a long ways to fall before it catches up with platinum. It definitely seems weaker than platinum at the moment. I've moved the channel bottom up for now, but my guess is palladium will drop faster than this channel predicts.
Gold: POSSIBLE TREND REVERSAL! Yes, I know, gold has barely managed to reach the upper border of the steep -80% downward channel. HOWEVER, for five days in a row the weighted basket of currencies of gold buying countries have gone up vs. the dollar. And the price of gold in US$ has tracked it right up. This is the first time since FEBRUARY 1996 that this "world gold currency" has gone up vs. the dollar to this extent. Yes, of course, this recovery is barely a blip in the overall drop of the world gold currency, and, yes, it could reverse again. And it may just be a recovery from the recent steep drop, and then will again resume its relentless downward trend. However, if the world gold currency just makes a V-bottom, reversing again after it reaches its longer term downward trend line, gold will rally with it, reaching $310-315 sometime around late January, early February. In my opinion, this is quite a likely scenario ... and it can get much better than this, if other factors positive to gold kick in! In anticipation of gold continuing its recent rally, I show a possible channel bottom, at a 130%/year slope, as silver is currently moving.
"Platinum is a screaming buy!" - True ... if platinum goes up, not down. Less than a year ago, the spread between platinum and gold was zero. The spread has recently broken through support around $80. Could it go to zero? Seems like it could. Industrial demand can weaken in Asia. Who knows, I just try to follow the trends, and concentrate on finding ways to recognize changes as early as possible. Right now, I look to the currencies for confirmation.
I'm glad you find my charts and comments interesting. I still consider myself a rank amateur. Its comforting to know that my ramblings are resonating.
Happy trades.
Those Dollars, the more you purchase the more expensive they get.
Let's not mention the 250+ point drop this morning. That was just a 'blip' thing. :- ) )
Is it time to be selling the rallies? I have to do something between gold rallies..... :- ) )
How does one cook a frog? Place the frog in a pot of cold water and SLOWLY turn up the heat...
For the US National Debt you can go to http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm and be frightened for the rest of your life.
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( NZ Herald December 19, 1997 )
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Doug Dibley had one of the worst jobs at Gallipoli: picking up his broken and bloodied comrades in a battle that claimed many young lives. But the 101-year-old former stretcher-bearer met his Maker yesterday in a far more serene surroundings - at a Rotorua rest-home, with two sons at his bedside.
He was New Zealands last living link to the Gallipoli campaign, which claimed the lives of more than 11,000 Anzac soldiers.
Australias last original Gallipoli campaigner, Ted Matthews, died in Sydney last week, also aged 101.
*****
SUN SETS ON DAWN OF A NATION
It was our coming of age, and it was our loss of innocence. It was the moment when the worlds newest dominion, not yet a decade old, staked its claim to nationhood; and it lasted nine long and bloody months.
The name of an arid and steep peninsular in Turkey is burned into our national consciousness. And the death of Doug Dibley, the last New Zealand veteran of the long, slow bloodbath we know as Gallipoli, breaks the last living link with a defining moment in our island story.
For the 19-year old who volunteered to help at Trentham military hospital and soon found himself hoisting wounded bodies into stretchers at the front line, Gallipoli was a rude awakening to the horrors of war. And 80-odd years later, Doug Dibley hadnt forgotten.
No one wins in the end, he said last year. The Great War took the best of our young men, and look how many came back maimed and broken.
In successive waves over nine months, beginning on April 25, 1915, 8556 New Zealanders landed on the small beachhead that would become known as Anzac Cove. When they were evacuated in December with a military efficiency that, ironically, was utterly absent from the campaign, they left behind the bodies of 2721, or almost one in three.
Barely 265 of those men lie in marked graves. The rest lay where they fell, their bones bleached by the fierce Turkish sun. They went out of the trenches and simply disappeared.
Gallipoli was by no means the bloodiest action New Zealanders saw in the First World War: in 21 days 7900 of our men died at the Somme, and in four hours at Passchendaele 2400 fell.
But at that time we were numb as a nation to the idea that our best and brightest were dying on the other side of the world. Gallipoli delivered the first, stunning news to a country which had believed in war as a brief adventure, in which victory was sure.
The naivety of believing that the Empire was always right and we could never be defeated came a gutser at Gallipoli because we lost it, says Dr Christopher Pugsley, a military historian who has written a book on the campaign. Gallipoli was a key event in our coming of age as a nation. Such a transformation doesnt happen in a moment, of course, but in a process unfurled by time.
The first New Zealand Expeditionary Force that left in October 1914 was a carefree band of lads bursting with provincial pride. But, whether playing football in Egypt or fighting for their lives in Turkey, they instinctively buried parochial rivalries.
They became compatriots determined to the better than the men they fought alongside. For the first time they knew and they would pay with the lives of a generation for the knowledge what it was to be a New Zealander.
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They shall not grow old,
As we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun
and in the morning
We will remember them.
Laurence Binyon
For the Fallen