To all
Reference .. Tzashreeks post ... Woopee.... Sure he
hopes no harm comes to South Africa.... Sure he does.
please raise hands - all who believe THAT.

As for me, Too busy counting profits made on Harmony
to bother to read or respond in depth.
Few comments..
1. he mentions inflation .. PPI fell to lowest in
about 20 - 24 years.
2. Cosatu trying to attract attention to themselves
as they actually losing membership and forces in
government clearly wish/plan to dump them.
3. their worries about loss of jobs in mines is real.
They lose power as a by-product. Despite obvious
simple math that show RSA mines with 50 -100 $/oz
advantage over NA mines, you DONT hear this in press.
Tzadsheek cant make numbers, neither can NUM. They
both BELIEVE what they read in press. Meanwhile,
rsa mines continue terminate workers- grow more
efficient. Marvellous snow job.
4. Kinross/amax ... forced because of high average
costs .. Someone starting to wake up.. they cant
stay viable otherwise.

IT SCARES ME!

HighRise

Have I got a story to tell to you. Five years ago I invested in a variable annuity, Golden American Select. Hoping that the metals would turn some day I put 75% into hard assets and the balance into money market. The portfolio increased 33% in three years and then stagnated. Just several months ago it shot up by 50k and just as suddenly dropped by 60k, which is where it is now. I will continue to hold on because I have no other choice. I will not invest it into any equity funds because the market in equities is due for a substantial correction. IMHO. I'll tough it out a little longer.

Thinking the market for hard assets was finally turning when it shot up I was euphoric and then just as suddenly it dropped like a lead baloon. I believe the bastards saw what was happening and put a stop to it in no time.

In the meanwhile, Im sitting here at my terminal, smoking a good cigar and sipping on a Corona. I really could'nt be happier.

I believe your line of thought had some validity until recently. The
"Big Boys", as you call them, are well into the process of losing control. A good example is the lack of cooperation Clinton is getting from around the world in enforcement of a United Nations resolution.
Things are about to start unraveling around the world and unfortunately
we are about to experience some unrational things. I'm usually a very positive, upbeat person but what I see just over the horizon is definetely not positive and upbeat. If we, as individuals, do not start taking precausions now the future, I'm afraid, does not offer alot. I do not want to be one of the unfortunate people standing in a soup line or worse. Hang in there Pete, just for a while longer. I hope I'm very, very
wrong and my lock box remains just a place to visit once in a while.

Bart
You really know how to ask a question, eh? 23:48
Good to see you have plenty of bandwidth to spare.

Haulpak: I heard the report on radio today out of Vancouver. The President of Kinross will be the President of the merged entity. I seem to recall Amax having a heavy debt load. Time to check because I have been riding Kinross from time to time because it seemed to be in pretty good shape.

Canadian Tire Money
http://www.canadiantire.ca/CTenglish/moneycontent.html

I did not think this was advertising for them but that it is a global update much like the Yahoo, Reuters, USA Today, etc postings many make on the network. I do not know these intelligence people except from this network. They offer a free e-mail server system for their geo-political analysis. They do not appear to have a slant or bias politically. I think they sell more indepth services and computer security if you are interested.

There is alot of free analysis for the taking much like Vronsky's site. They are not selling the product which is being posted here.

As to how it relates to gold, many think that geo-political instability causes increase in the price of gold. I feel these people do a pretty fair job showing the potential precursors to regional and global instabilities.

Again, it is your ball so you get to make the rules, but my vote is that it is worthwhile.

Steve

It's just the opposite of what you may think.

Production was always in full strength.
Official lower figures were reported to keep prices
relatively high. Only a part of production was
sold through the state channels. At the same time
the rest of platinum ( "unaccounted" ) was delivered
through non-official channels to trusted friends-traders
abroad, to get "instant cash".

Now, when foreign banks are really "interested
to invest" +permission to sell direct by Norislk in
pending and will be probably granted, some of the real
figures are revealed.

Just a thought.

You dog, and here I was concerned. A good smoke and drink. Good for you.

To many loose ends. I don't have any comfort that they know what they are doing.

Kuwait is the only regional help - big deal.
They are a heck of an easy target. And we are going to put our $80 Billion Stealth fighter/bombers there, I think. Doesn't sound to smart to me.

Iran has our ships in their sites.

One can't BS his way out of War either, once he is in it, he better know where he is going.

Oh well there is not much we can do about it. All we can do is sit back and watch this thing unfold. I am worried about the terrorist problem. I have family in possible harms way.

Good Night All

HighRise

All day there has been discussion about the coming offensive against S. Hussein; permission denied the US to take off from Turkey, Italy, S. Arabia, etc. The Spanish newspaper "el Pas" is now reporting that planes will be allowed to take off from bases in Spain, including refueling planes. Details ( in Spanish ) at:

http://www.elpais.es/p/d/19980210/internac/ataque.htm

I hope you enjoyed the small pop in Harmony today. You can thank
me if you want to. In ref to the other crap you were refering to in your last post; I searched all of Reuters today for the story about SA mines and found none. USAgold got some bad info some place.

What can I say, Earl?

Forget it.

While all this BS is going on with the build up and all, it would not surprise me one bit to wake up and find out there has been a pre-emptive strike by any of a number of countries in the region and see a lot of smoke spiraling up from a carrier.

One lucky shot.

Today my 1000 shares of KLOFY were exchanged for 474 shares of GDFDY.
I had noticed that KLOFY was not trading this month and now I know why.
My new stock, GDFDY ( I haven't found out what it is yet ) dropped 12% today when most other gold's rose a little. Does anyone know why and if this stock is worth keeping?

Folks,
I know a gentleman in Canada who has been to Norilsk many times. This man is quite knowledgeable about mining operations. He has been asked twice to take control of Norilsk and run it like it should be run.
He has declined saying there are "four different armies who claim to own it and I won't touch it until they get that straightened out."
I say all that to say this: It seems hard for me to believe that Norilsk has secretly been producing double the amount of PGMs than reported.

The Preacher

Something niggling my memory, so I went back to check. Here
is the "why" Arab states signed on to Desert Storm--and why
there will be NO 'backing' this time around:
Foreign Affairs, Winter 1990/91
The Summer of Arab Discontent, Fouad Ajami, Majid Khadduri Professor of Middle Eastern Studies, John Hopkins:"but the highest ulema of the religious establishment ruled against the conquet of Kuwait and the ruler of Baghad. In late August, one of Egypt's most authoritative ulema, Sheikh Jadd al-Haqq, issued a fatwa ( a ruling opinion ) that denounced Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and sanctioned the Saudi invitation of foreign forces. "The tyrant has to be contained," the influential Sheikh wrote, "lest his tyranny spread." The gulf states had a right to ask for foreign assistance to protect themselves against a "treacherous brothr."

Saddam has been more careful this time round. And our President is going
to paint us into the proverbial tight corner.

Bart:

I did not invent the term Kitco's Queen.
It was given to me by someone who despise me.
I think it was ORIS, but I am not sure.
You can verify it by going throughout the posts.

I just thought it was funny,
and I adopted it.
It was my sense of humor,
I did not realize that it will upset you.
I apologize, and I will never use this term again.
I totally forgot that you are a Canadian,
and I never thought about the British Queen.
We Americans are totally removed from such subjects.

Re: this Red Alert Intelligence Service
I do not know who they are.
I was the first person to post them at Kitco.
I was not aware that others are posting them around the Internet.

I have connections around the world.
One of my friends in Israel sent it to me
and I thought that they are excellent.
I posted them a few minutes after I received the information about them.

If they are spreading so fast on the Internet
is it possible that they are really good ?

I absolutely did not realize that you felt that I am advertising them.
I never advertised anyone, and I never received any money from anyone with connection to the Internet.

My decision to expose our Kitcoits to this news service proved to be correct as even JIN told us tonight that I provided him a better info than he can give me about his country.
Other Kitcoits responded very enthusiastically too.

I promise to clean my posts in the future from any possible hints regarding advertising.

6 pak: Thanks. I have long maintained that personal longevity is a direct function of regular lubes and oil changes. .... At intervals directly related to the nature and degree of one's vices. Of course. .... Now it's nice to know that Canada Tire has thoughtfully provided a discount program to encourage that end.

The loss of just one aircraft carrier would make one think wouldn't it. Or one good size terrorist act in NY, bomb or biological.

Just doesn't feel right at all - potential for the worst, not just for the US but the world.

Has the definite possibility of moving Gold up big time.

HighRise

Preacher: It's even more difficult to believe that they would report it to the market. That makes no sense at all.

Oris: What's your take on the matter?

For Oris
MY brother .. I appreciate your guiding me to post
on Russian Platinum.
I have first problem where that article says norilsk
produces 25% of worlds platinum when Johnson matthey
report platinum 1997 ( in my left hand now ) says Russia
produces a little less than 15 %.
Since you saved my skin several times in the desert
and on the dwarfland border, I owe you many debts ( not
to mention introduction to Absolute and recipe for
teboulleh and tomato salad ) I certainly believe exactly
what you say about "2 sets of books", as this russian
practice even extends to RUSSIAN restaurants. I believe
Russians have stockpile of palladium ... but I have a
problem with a russian PLATINUM stockpile and big
platinum production figures ( more problem with stockpile ) .
Can you check out that 8-10 mill oz stockpile. It
is the kind of stockpile I would come up with if I
wanted to reasure offtakers or discourage projects in
other countries like Australia.

Oris,,
You come right to the point. You said: "Preacher - Your Canadian gentelman is a lier..."

No doubt that's true. But the question is: "Was he lying when he made this statement?

I assume you think he was.
Why do you think this?

The Preacher

If you want to know what PIZDA means, and you really don't,
I'll translate for you...

The US military is spread so thin. I find it real interesting that nobody is talking about N. Korea. Talk about a part of the world with Bact, Nuc, capabilities, sheesh.

I have given a great deal of thought to profiting from the misery I see so soon to be a part of all our days. So far my best denial rationalization is that I have been thinking of protecting my family and friends with the metals from the global currency debacle, that if they get bumped up further because of political and military madness I had nothing to do with creating either of those two things.

I just reread that last paragraph, and well, if you tell me it is BS, well, I can see your point.

John, I may be wrong, and you may be right.
I'm gonna check out something and let you
know in some time by e-mail. But numbers in
most foreign magazines on the subject of
Russia are not true, because statistics
which is reported officially is very different
from the "real world" numbers...

I'll investigate, I promise, but DO NOT BELIEVE
Russian numbers in the magazines...

oris
But then, you were always more polite than me, compadre.
salty

USA Numbers - RUSSIA Numbers - you can't trust either set.

For Gold trend players, check out http://www.golden-eagle.com/charts/gegfi.html
This is golden-eagle's Gold Index Fund and in
my opinion when it is going Up, your chances
of profiting from Gold Stocks is greatly enhanced.

I forgot to mention, 8-10 mln., if indeed
there, is in Strategic reserve, means not
for immediate sale. They just got it, just
in case. Some things in Russia are still
not for sale, but these t"some" hings are rare...

What I was referring to, was the Prez trying to talk ( BS ) his way out of a War situation compared to a domestic political/legal problem.

I don't believe he can just twist the English language around and expect to get out of an international screw up. Where an entire region of the World goes crazy. And where they don't call English their first language.

HighRise

No more talks on the subject of Norislk.

I agree, I think it is already interesting the lack of backing he is getting with the exception of Blair.

For Oris -
Worried that certain aspects of my post similar to
what the Preacher Man says .... I must be wrong.
For TSClaw...
Was that the post by moregold ??? Look .. reuters is
a funny outfit .. like stealing stuff from Bloomberg .
They were a major agent of disinformation on RSA
during demise of Apartheid Government.
The same man that floated the "kitty" story also
added the sentence in his green paper story that
"this would be tantamount to nationalization" ... .
Both comments were attributed to "analysts say" ... I
spoke to dean cunningham of investek and pete major at
syfrets ( actual analyst ) who say the kitty is bullsh!t
and attribute the "green paper" to an energy minister
trying to attract some attention to himself prior to
an election.
The info from moregold gave impression that RSA mines
were in dire straights ( even though they making dough
while NA mines are in deep doodoo ) , amd even that
Mandela was a red when he was young.
So this story is disinformation .. If it came off
reuters im not too surprised . Im more interested
in the REASON for the message.. Soros was mentioned
in Moregold's post. The only reason I can think of
for a story like this would be to create the idea
that gold must go up. Any ideas ??

I tried to avoid brutality by any means,
but at the end nature prevailed...
and you showed me what the true spirit of a man
really means...

THE BIG BOYS ARE THOSE THAT CONTROL THE WORLDS CENTRAL BANKS AND GOVERNMENTS IN TURN. LOOK AROUND. DO YOU NOT SEE AMERICANS SO STUPID AND BRAINWASHED THAT THEY THINK BC IS THE GREATEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD. WHO DO YOU THINK CONTROLS BC AND MANY OTHER MAJOR HEADS OF STATE?

WHAT I THINK I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, SURE, THE CURRENT MONEY SYSTEM IS DUE TO COLLAPSE. IS THIS BY DESIGN. AFTER ALL IT MATTERS NOT ONE WHIT TO THEM. THEY HAVE PLAYED THIS GAME AS LONG AS THEY COULD MILK IT. NOW THEY HAVE TO START A WAR OR WHATEVER TO START ANEW. ARE NOT THESE POWERS THE ONES THAT BELIEVE THE WORLD IS OVERPOPULATED? WHAT BETTER WAY TO REDUCE THE WORLDS POPULATION THAN BY WAR, FAMINE, CAUSE CHAOS, ECONOMIC FAILURE.

GOLD IS MEANT FOR SURVIVING THESE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ABOUT TO OCCUR, AND HAPPEN THEY WILL. THIS IS WHAT GOLD IS ALL ABOUT. FOR YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES SURVIVAL DURING BAD TIMES. YOU NOT ONLY HAVE TO USE GOLD FOR YOUR SURVIVAL, BUT METHINKS MUCH MORE. NO ONE IS SAFE TODAY FROM ICBM'S OR POISON WARFARE. THINK ABOUT OTHER WAYS TO PROTECT YOURSELVES AND YOUR FAMILIES, BECAUSE THE COMING EVENTS ARE GOING TO BE MUCH WORSE THAN WE CAN IMAGINE. I HOPE IT DOES'NT HAPPEN. NO, I PRAY TO GOD.

I'M GETTING A HEADACHE FROM ALL THIS SH!!!T. I THINK I'LL GET A DOUBLE JACK DANIELS AND ANOTHER CORONA SO SOMBODY CAN CALL ME A POLLACK.

"I'M GETTING A HEADACHE FROM ALL THIS SH!!!T. I THINK I'LL GET A DOUBLE JACK DANIELS AND ANOTHER CORONA SO SOMBODY CAN CALL ME A POLLACK."

Thats wierd!

Steven Pollack ( A POLLACK WITHOUT ALCOHOL )

I would love to see the price of gold go up sooner, but I rather wait for some more mine closings than have to experience war and terrorism. Even a Clinton impeachment is scary. Al Gore is a liberal nut. Of course, Clinton's judgement is so bad, he is a threat to us and the rest of the world. With all this talk of war, I am surprised he has not fired up a joint and hopped a plane to England.

Don't worry, John, it's
juust a matter of which source
of info should be trusted.

I'm not in platinum business,
so whatever I say should be
questioned, it's normal.

Let me try to make a couple
of calls, I'll get back with you.

Preacher - I'm with you. They don't have the stockpiles. If they did what would they gain by announcing it now? I can think of some reasons to they would want the market to think they had it though.

Does everyone remember the big US company that bought a boatload of palladium in Japan for delievery this spring last June? The price was below $200. Who was on the other side of that trade? Platinum is a subsitute for palladium in alot of industrial applications. I think it would easier to drive the price of Platinum down then Palladium right now.

Remember the 800,000 ounces that hit the market just before Christmas? Many thought that was the end of the Russian stockpiles. Maybe that was suppose to be the 1998's sales - now they have none. Did anyone find it strange how quickly the market swallowed 800,000 ounces? About 6-7 weeks. I figured the market would stay depressed for 3-4 months after this large supply hit the market.

Also, where are all the people telling me to "sell the news"? Or in this case, "buy the news". They sure were out in force last week concerning silver.

Sadam requires a kiss on the cheek from his loyal subjects. Clinton requires a kiss on a another part of his anatomy to show loyalty

Russians and Futures market
I have heard many times that russians play futures in platinum
and palladium markets. Assuming that may have missed move in
platinum, flying an article like this would give them a
second chance to get on board. Would Rusians pull a stunt
like that ??

John, I can believe they missed this last PL move. I can believe they are short also. 800,000 is a big number in this market.

Oris,
I once had an uncle named Orris. Sadly, he died last year. So for hissake, I'll trust you on this one tonight. But on the morrow I shall call my friend in Canada.

The Preacher

Good night all.

How is Warren Buffett able to purchase 20% of a single years silver without anyone noticing and the prices don't rise until after he announces the purchases are complete?

Is there any transparancy or are the prices really fixed? Does anyone match sale orders with purchase orders to determine the spot? Why is there a wait for physical deliveries if the current price reflects little scarcity?

Anyone know what form WB will be getting his silver ... large assayed bars, Eagles/Maples/etc, JM, ....

Knowing WB will hold for long time - he won't live forever and the cost for his successor to have that much silver re-assayed for sale will be tremendous... Anyone know details ???

TIA

http://gopher.uconn.edu/~jpa94001/social.html

To missinglink: I'm not making any judgement calls as to what is or is not worthwhile. Anyone who is seen as consistently posting the same URL many times over invites others to do the same. Before you turn around we'll have a tradeshow instead of a discussion group.

To Ziva: I was not upset. Amused maybe, but hardly upset. Thank you for your efforts in helping to keep this site an advertisment-free environment.

Agree with the following exceptions:

By definition, if CBs want long term the POG up and to accomplish this they have driven it short term down, then you have a conspiracy.

The CBs must have higher targets for POG, $500 is hardly worth bothering. After all, it was almost there before the big slide ( $419 ) started.

Ziva trained me in remote viewing, eh Ziva, am I doing okay?

Your shares of Kloof were exchanged for shares in 'GOLDCO" ( Gold Fields of S. Africa Ltd ) Presently only listed on theJSE. Goldco may in due course apply for a listing of its shares in ADR for;m on Nasdaq according to info I rec'd. Long term could be alright.

Years ago, when I pondered the future, I had no inkling of what an interesting time the arrival of the millennium would be. Mixed in now with the Preterists and other prophets, the astroists and ufologists, the usual Russian enigma wrapped in a riddle tied with a conundrum and the paid spooks and media on a leash, we have government, corporate, and foundation public relations issuing press releases. Wow is not word enough. And get this, WSJ, I think it was, publishes an article on how currencies should be valued according to an "information standard." Talk about optimism.

Regarding Reuters story: it was one thing for the CB's to manage the price of gold and indirectly the price of oil and the inflation perception. It is quite another when the dividends of the rich are put in jeapordy. I think influential investors in South African mines should be reassured, as intended.

for Mozel .. Hows this.

If you can re-write the past, amd control what is said
in the present, the future will take care of itself.

Some window dressing statements by the "We The People" Representatives.

Canada is a peace loving nation - War will make Canada what?
USofA is our friend - We must give support - We must trust our friends.
Canadians and others will be killed - A few deaths may save many deaths.

Yes, USofA will get the support of Canada, only because the "We The People" have not been consulted. The Liberals are the majority.

Has the "We The people" in the USofA been consulted? What is the vote?

It is truly sick to watch this on Cpac, these fools ( War Hawks ) truly believe the B.S. written in the material they are reading from.

Yes, this war will cause considerable damage to the image of Canada, being a peace loving nation. Let the Middle East do what has to be done, to save their nations from this madman. USofA interests are USofA interests,as are the British interests, go into war, and enjoy the glory. It has nothing to do with Canada.

It is really getting to me that so many pointed to this time in history as being the "big" war, the Holy War. Amazing, the amount of men and women that have been killed in the name of God.

Kinda makes me sleep better at night. Not!

Tuesday February 10, 1:19 am Eastern Time

Japan official lashes out at critics of Asia role

By Linda Sieg

TOKYO, Feb 10 ( Reuters ) - A senior Japanese trade official on Tuesday lashed out at critics who accused Tokyo of not doing enough for Asia, and said to cure the region's economic problems it was vital to make a correct diagnosis first.

``No one has really come up with sufficient ideas as to what to do about the problems occurring in Asia,'' said Takeshi Isayama, director-general of the Trade Ministry's international trade policy bureau. ``To solve the problem, you need the facts.''

``The United States is saying Japan should do more, but do they really understand the problem themselves? They are just passing the buck,'' Isayama told Reuters in a telephone interview. ``It is very easy to blame someone else.''

Trade Ministry officials will join others from the finance and foreign ministries in a Japanese delegation set to depart for Singapore and Indonesia on Wednesday, in an effort to find out what scope exists for Tokyo to do more to help Jakarta out of its protracted economic crisis.

The move comes amidst criticism that Japan -- the region's heftiest economy -- has not taken enough of a lead to help Asia solve its financial woes and that its own stagnant economy is a major obstacle to regional recovery.

Last month, U.S. Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky called Japan's efforts to end the economic crisis in Asia ``absolutely inadequate,'' while Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin said Japan had ``obviously'' not taken enough measures to invigorate its ailing economy.

On Monday, Malaysia's Deputy Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim also urged Tokyo not to use its domestic woes as an excuse for not doing more for the rest of Asia.

MITI's Isayama said a key priority of the delegation to Indonesia would be to figure out the facts, determine the extent to which Indonesian authorities have the situation under control and what further measures they plan, and see whether additional steps being considered by Japan would be effective.

``It is not the case that we have no idea what is going on...and there are various possible measures, but their effectiveness depends in part on the Indonesia government, so we have to know their stance,'' he said.

Isayama also said a Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi proposal to create a rupiah stabilisation fund that would allow Indonesian firms to exchange rupiah for U.S. dollars at a much stronger rate than its current level was ``one idea.''

A Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi senior official told Reuters that if companies in Indonesia could exchange the rupiah at around 5,000 to the dollar, most would stay in business.

The rupiah traded around 9,000 to the dollar on Tuesday morning, down more than 70 percent since the regional currency crisis started last July.

The Japanese delegation is expected to spend seven to 10 days in Singapore and Indonesia, and will likely return home just ahead of a meeting of Group of Seven ( G7 ) finance ministers and central bankers at which the Asian crisis is expected to be a key topic.

Japanese government officials have said that decisions on additional help for Indonesia would be made after the delegation returns to Japan.

Japan is Indonesia's largest creditor, with Japanese banks accounting for 39 percent of Indonesia's $53.7 billion in foreign bank debt as of the end of June 1997, according to the Bank for International Settlements ( BIS ) .

Tokyo took part last October in a $43 billion International Monetary Fund-led rescue package for Indonesia by promising to contribute $5 billion should the need arise.

Thanks for your reply

Chin up, Cousin John. Disinformation is only effective if it is believed to be authentic, that is to say, not controlled. The puppet masters strings are showing. You know, propaganda is most effective among people who think they are least susceptible to it. Hence, marketing is anathema to slaganeering. Orwell overestimated the long term power of socialism as a mesmerizing agent. When "the center will not hold", renewal is aborning.

all,
This afternoon ,most regional currencies rebond strongly!Some positive sentimental changed.The rupiahs links to u.s dollars peg looked progressive!
Hopes turn back?....let see..!

Just be careful.

If so, do you like what we get in the merger?

Long article in today's Busness section, SJ Mercury news was quite bearish on stocks and stated that the market is grossly underestimating the problems in SE Asia, etc.

Latest news tonight ( this morning ) in Indonesia might confirm that point of view. I'm still "out" of Equities in the broad market and will be remaining so indefinitely unles and until I see some rather massive changes in the overall fundamentals.

Difficult times are ahead, though we can't see this clearly in our current indicators.

My bullish sentiment in silver increased more today, so I bought Prime Resources ( PRU ) at $8 / shr. With 11 mil ozs. yearly production I hope to catch-up with you in your silver profits!

ONLY $87.95 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOLD AND PLATINUM

For Brother Mozel
While I wish most sincerely for what you say to be
true, the mere fact that BC, an obvious liar and
power mad degenerate, is beloved by upwards of 80
per cent of Americans would tend to indicate that we
have a ways to go, and some rather large hurdles to
overleap.

My buddy Myrmidon...Amax is a fairly high cost producer that, in linking with a lower cost producer with a huge cash stash, will become a much greater and more powerful entity.

Instead of running to Cyprus Amax for regular infusions of cash and guarantees on bank loans, etc., in order to keep its head above water, Amax Gold will now become a part of the fifth largest gold producer in the world. Via rationalization, streamlining, and Kinross economies of scale, costs per ounce of Au at Amax gold mines ( some of which are quite stellar ) should drop greatly, thereby making them much more competitive. Moreover, the great Cyprus Amax will hold a large stake in the new company and be able to provide resources to assist this new entity
just as Noranda provides know-how and financial clout to BMG today.

Finally, the merger sets the first stage in what will inevitably be yet another merger offer sometime down the road, i.e., you can be certain
Kinross will be absorbed into an even larger gold producer ( my guess...within the next year ) . My theory is based on the fact that Kinross itself has been the subject of rumored merger prospects in the industry for some time.

So, Myrmidon, if you're not satisfied with payment in Kinross stock, then with some patience, maybe you'll be happier with payment in who knows, maybe NEM stock?

In any case, without this offer, Amax might simply flounder along. Now, the company is in a position to sweep away past problems ( in the form of cumbersome debt ) and become part of a much healthier company.

THE BEST NEWS: a major consolidation sweep is about to occur throughout the Au industry.

TORONTO GLOBE & MAIL

Kinross, Amax to merge

Deal creates 5th-largest gold producer in North America

Tuesday, February 10, 1998
By Allan Robinson
Mining Reporter

Kinross Gold Corp. has arranged a merger with financially troubled Amax Gold Inc. to create what will be the fifth-largest gold mining company in North America.

The merged mining entity will have annual production of 1.2 million ounces of gold and a market capitalization of about $1-billion ( U.S. ) , the companies said.

For Robert Buchan, the chairman and chief executive officer of Kinross, the merger will thrust the company he founded to the forefront of North American gold producers from the middle of the pack.

With the decline in gold prices, Amax Gold has been hurt by the amount of debt it has taken on to construct its new gold mines.

The new gold producer will continue to be called Kinross and remain based in Toronto, with Mr. Buchan assuming the dual role of chairman and CEO.

Amax Gold of Englewood, Colo., is 58.8 per cent owned by Cyprus Amax Minerals Co., a Colorado-based company with interests in copper, molybdenum, coal and other metals. After the merger, Cyprus Amax will own 31 per cent of the new Kinross.

John Ing, president of Maison Placements Inc., said the merger continues the trend toward consolidation in the gold mining industry. The new company will have about 270 million shares outstanding and gold reserves of 10 million ounces, he said.

Amax Gold is an attractive target because of two key mines. Mr. Buchan said the Fort Knox gold mine in Alaska is expected to produce about 383,000 ounces of gold at a cash cost of $175 an ounce; and in Russia, the Kubaka mine is expected to produce 460,000 ounces of gold at $185 an ounce. Gold traded yesterday at $300.60 an ounce, up $1.80. Gold recently hit an 18*-year low of $278.30.

Kinross has relatively small mines, which produced 500,000 ounces of gold during 1997, in Canada, United States and Zimbabwe.

Following the merger and financial restructuring, Kinross will end up with $183-million in debt and $94-million in cash. One analyst estimates the new company will have a cash flow of about $100-million a year.

But before the merger can proceed, Cyprus Amax has agreed to invest $135-million in Amax Gold by forgiving debt of $73-million and injecting cash of $62-million. In return, it will receive 35 million shares of Kinross.

Kinross will strengthen the balance sheet of the new company by contributing the $190-million ( Canadian ) in cash on its balance sheet. Also, an underwriting syndicate headed by CIBC Wood Gundy Securities Inc. has agreed to acquire in a bought deal an estimated 11-per-cent stake of the new company for $122-million ( U.S. ) , 34,653,465 shares of the new Kinross at $5.05 ( Canadian ) a share. The cash will be held in trust until the merger is complete and the money has been dedicated to paying down debt of the merged company.

"Without that [bought deal], I wouldn't have closed the merger deal," Mr. Buchan said. "You now have a bullet-proof balance sheet and an ability to grow the company."

In the merger transaction, about $335-million ( U.S. ) of Amax Gold debt will be eliminated.

Yesterday, the shares of Kinross closed unchanged at $5.25 ( Canadian ) a share on the Toronto Stock Exchange. Amax Gold shares closed at $3.31 ( U.S. ) on the New York Stock Exchange. The shares were halted for the merger announcement and did not resume trading.

Under the merger deal, each share of Amax Gold will be converted into 0.80 of a share of Kinross common stock. The new company will have an average cash cost of production of about $210 an ounce from its 12 mines in the United States, Canada, Chile, Russia and Zimbabwe.

The deal is subject to approval from both companies' shareholders.

Myrmidon, as you can see, Amax has been a hi-cost producer given the hefty levels of debt incurred to open its various mines.

However, under this deal, essentially all that debt is wiped away in exchange for equity. Thus, with the stroke of a pen, Amax mines are now, in effect, lo-cost mines ( average $180 an ounce ) .

Although Kinross shareholders suffer dilution, the combined entity is now a much more potent force in the industry...and an even more attractive target for merger with another major down the road. If the market recognizes this fact, then there should be little if any significant diminution in Kinross share price...maybe even a share price gain?
Ultimately, Kinross share price will be determined by the spin financial analysts put on the entire deal.

to all
More info on the "left wing elements" pressing for
"nationalization" of mineral rights.
The green paper seems to be about unutilized
mineral rights in mining companies' hands "reverting"
to the state for use by small black miners ( sort of like
dwarves ) .
For a little background mineral rights have always
been unclear even under the prior government. Mining
houses use to pay a lease fee and a mining tax - this
never hurt much since was deductable from company tax
anyway. it mainly created work for accountants.
This new creature is an attempt by the energy
minister - ( NOW catch this ... UNDER PRESSURE from
FOREIGN COMPANIES ) to get the RSA mining houses to
release some of their widely held resources for sale
to overseas interests. Black empowerment is the
straw man argument to make it all go down OK in the
press ( if they ever take much of an interest ) .
This same little jerk quoting "analysts" who
said this was like nationalization, also wrote the
famous "kitty" story.
RSA is like this .. When its easy on your nerves,
its gonna be hard on your wallet. When its hard on
your nerves, forget it and count your money. The
minute that people go bullish be very afraid - sell.
So watch TZA-shriek - when he buys his first RSA
stock - sell everything.

FORMER PNG PRIME MINISTER DIDN'T
READ SANDLINE CONTRACT
Tuesday 10 February, 1998 ( 8:00pm AEDT )




Papua New Guinea's former Prime Minister, Sir Julius Chan
has told the second inquiry into PNG's mercenaries crisis
that he never read the Sandline contract until after the
military aborted the deal.

Sean Dorney reports that Sir Julius took the witness box for
the first time today in the second inquiry which has already
been running for five months.

Questioned by ex Brigadier Singirok's lawyer about
differences about what the Sandline contract provided for
and what his cabinet had approved, Sir Julius said the first
time he saw the contract was during the first Sandline
inquiry after the mercenaries had been deported. Sir Julius
said his main priority had been to end the war .. reopening
the mine was not his chief aim. He also claimed that he
had stressed to Sandline's project director, Tim Spicer, that
he did not want mercenaries on the front line. The contract,
signed by the then deputy prime minister Chris Haiveta,
provided for 40 frontline mercenaries to render the rebels
militarily ineffective and reopen the mine.



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plus ...news from the Asia Pacific Region in Indonesian, Chinese and Tok Pisin

 1998 Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Tue Feb 10 20:30:01 1998 ( AEDT )

Earl
WELLINGTON
by John Laird - 1979

Moonlight, on house lit valley
Moonlight on silver hill
Silver moon over silver water
Silver quiet, silver still
On the great sea of Tara
Shining silver and quiet
Round the great bowl of hills
Silent and silver overhead
The great bowl of night.

Go quietly -- drink deep the quiet air
From the quiet -- the dark bowl of night
Soft lit this magic hour, with silver light
The silver moon
Shining so quietly over
The sleeping city
The great sea of Tara.

http://redfrog.norconnect.no/poems/poetpage?author=John+Laird

http://nw3.nai.net/~virtual/sot/128a.htm
PLANETARY ALIGNMENT THIS WEEK
While some might think the stock market is going to drop because the Denver Broncos won the 1998 Superbowl, a more significant reason to expect a market decline in the near-future is a major planetary alignment this week.

rsk #1 silver / gold has been in a bear market for so long that people laugh at the very idea that these investments could do anything but go down. That's why Warren was able to buy up his line when everybody else was doing something else. # 2 History shows us that when Warren Buffet buys you better buy then ask why..... he rarely makes mistakes ! I had a chance to buy Wells Fargo when a friend told me he was buying in - I didn't ! Then the story came out and wham!! I lost out. He still holds and it still is a profit. Silver is headed somewhere profound and I don't really know where but it's going up in the long term.

http://nypostonline.com/business/3605.htm
WORLD EVENTS BEGINNING TO CROWD IN ON MARKETS

EVEN Alan Greenspan couldn't save the bond and currency markets last week with his talk of a strong economy and subdued inflation. And right now I'm going to give you three reasons why there are a lot more problems ahead for interest rates and the dollar: Washington scandals. Iraq. And Asia.

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/topreg.idc
UN chief says Baghdad, US should 'cool it'

http://www.scmp.com/news/index.idc
Chinese seek protection as mob riots in Indonesia
10 million mainland jobs to go

http://www.scmp.com/news/template/templates.idc?artid=19980210012002116?=mar&template=Mar_DNoComma.htx&maxfieldsize=371
Stocks climb on Iraqi crisis
New Zealand shares rose, with Fletcher Challenge energy shares gaining amid concerns that tensions over Iraq will drive up oil prices.

http://www.scmp.com/news/template/templates.idc?artid=19980210012002110?=mar&template=Mar_Article.htx&maxfieldsize=1166
Gold sees healthy buying interest
Gold edged higher in London yesterday morning on the back of good buying interest but volatile silver continued to trade in a wide range, dealers said.

http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980209/markets_pr_2.html
Gold up on Portuguese news, silver dragging lower

Interfax reports that the Central Bank of Russia "May purchase another 100 tonne of Gold during the 1998 year" It states the existing reserves of 500 tonnes after purchase of 100 tonnes in 1997.
Russia Today Daily News site reports that "Yeltsin warns the World that the USA wants is trying to establish itself ( USA ) as a Hegemony in power and currency.
Oris - anymore of your views re Russia mining would be appreciated.

http://www.mns.net.au/~tdrake/money.html
DAVOS, Feb. 2 ( EIRNS ) --ELITES AT DAVOS CLAIM ASIA CRISIS IS OVER, PRIVATELY ADMIT IT IS ANYTHING BUT OVER.

Very interesting! Here are links I found for that news:

http://www.interfax-news.com/TodaysFSUNews/today.html
Russian central bank buying more gold

http://www.russiatoday.com/
Yeltsin Warns against U.S. "World Hegemony"

Farfel: Let's hope that mining consolidations accelerate. The fewer and stronger the players, the better it will be for gold investors. Financially strong gold mining companies will be under much less pressure to sell forward at low prices.

Still think initial reaction to a US attack on Iraq will be modestly negative for gold, but the longer-term impact will be very bullish

http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980210/citibank_h_1.html
Citibank halts First Bangkok City bank audit

BANGKOK, Feb 10 ( Reuters ) - Citibank ( CCI - news ) said on Tuesday it had suspended an ongoing audit of First Bangkok City Bank Plc ( FBCB.BK ) , three months after signalling that it was looking into buying a majority stake in the bank.

International Veteran Analyst Dines share his DESCENDING INTO THE BUY OF A LIFETIME? essay explaining the significance of the divergence of the gold and silver price trends. He also includes corresponding and interesting chart of the GOLD-SILVER NON-CONFIRMATION during the last six months. He concludes one of them is lying.

See GOLDEN-EAGLE - just DELETE the letters en in the word golden in the URL:
http://www.golden-eagle.com/editorials_98/dines021098.html

The ongoing rapid growth of the money supply was of particular concern to some members, but beyond that it was

observed that overall liquidity conditions in credit and capital markets belied the supposition that the real federal funds

rate is too high.

Despite fears of what the Asian crisis might mean, the FOMC met in a buoyant financial atmosphere.

Continuing the 1997 uptrend, revised M2 grew another $5.3 billion in the week ended Jan. 26 -- an annual rate of

6.8%, compared to the Fed's 1%-to-5% target range. M3 grew $5 billion, an annual rate of 9.5%. Lending activity,

particularly in the business and real estate sectors, has been zealous as market interest rates have come down. And

stocks have returned to near record levels. The U.S. dollar, meanwhile, has come down considerably from recent highs.

http://www.economeister.com/news/1998_02/09/120300be.htm

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/docs/news/19980210/ROBFront/RKINR.html

Junior, I think you know about "two sets of books"
business in Russia, I remember one of your posts
earlier about secret accounts for General Directors
was very professional.

I bet you know how it all works.

I am not a expert on Norilsk, and never was. My views
are based on "general knowledge".

In regard to the statement by Preacher that
some CANADIAN ( may be Inco guy? ) was ASKED TWICE to
run NORILSK - if you know Russian situation, you
would probably agree that there is no way on the face
of Earth that this was a SERIOUS "ASK". Asked by whom?
By Russians? By some foreign shareholders? By Yeltsin?
Funny stuff indeed...

Intel execs file to sell stock

More than $70M in stock registered for

sale by Intel executives, directors

http://www.cnnfn.com/digitaljam/wires/9802/10/intel_wg/

quebec

Australia has just decided to help Clinton bomb iraq. Idiots

so has canada .... looks like the bombing gang is gettin bigger ..... reserve a seat now for the big event!

I sure hope Klington can win this war !...... ( wonders aloud whether the US has managed to implant smart bomb targeting technology on Saddams "rear" guard? )

Saddam will cave in. I dont think he likes the idea of being a dead martar. He prefers others to be dead martars for his cause.

this is all being done to get his disgusting behavior in the white house off of the front page, imvvvho.

well maybe he might cave in but when you begin to send out the "wedding" invitations ( to all these other allied countries ) it's kind hard to cancel the wedding ...if ya knows what I mean :}

after a certain point you might as well get married instead of suffering the embarrasment!

The way minipulation of the public is on full display right now. All tricks are being tried by the whitehouse. A trader has a lot to learn from this

new battle cry of the republic .... "let's bomb the buggers!"

let's see ....a camel jock against the USA and it's allies ,,,,, I wonder who will win?

the start of the gulf war is just one example, though probably the best, of the news fakeout. right around the 1994 bottom, there was a constant stream of stories that north korea was about to nuke seoul and invade the rest of the country. it was a quite credible threat, too!

It will be interesting how Clinton claims victim status from this camel jock?

Saddam has turn to old technologies to fight the battle.... I hear he has replaced his entire airforce of Russian made planes with a brand new fleet of flying carpets!

he's just "doin his job protecting the folks of the USA" how did he put it the other day?......he just showin up for work cause he's being asked to do so

The people elected him to do sumthin ..... it's just too bad he can't figure out what the sumthin is :}

The victor gets to rewrite history. Star and Saddam will get a bad rewrite.

sometimes I really wonder who has more inteligence .... all those poor Iraqi soldiers who are prepared ( at gunpoint ) to die for allah ..... cas acording to them allahs the greatest ...... or middle america who is gonna buy the "threat to national security" vomit ....sheesh

yes i agree Clinton is calling for a bind faith in him from his true believers, Which is no different to a those "poor iraqi soldiers prepared ( at gunpoint ) to die for alah".

it's personal now ...if Saddam manages to personally survive this ordeal without losing his head ....klington is out

really amazin how a little bit of sex on the oval office carpet brings out the urgent need to level a country

..........and turn the "loser" into a hero in the polls

Exactly. Mind you several dictators like Castro have come out in support of Clinon in controlling the free press. So if he cant get saddam he will just have to sack the press of the country and replace them with whitehouse aids ;- )

oh well I guess there is a silver lining in all this... the defense companies will get to test out some new "smart" technology ..... the ones who's stuff checks out the best will be rewarded with a huge jump in their stock price ......... faites vos jeux messieur/dames

if it were really smart technology .... it would require only one tiny weenie missile .... one that could track down and destroy only one person ....Saddam ....instead of murdering probably thousand of innocents not to mention leveling the entire country

but then again....there would be no real story to write ....and it wouldn't get the focus off of klintons indiscresions

I wouldn't like to be lewinsky ....she is gonna have to live with thousands of Iraqi lives on her conscience

the wonderful thing about destroying all the evidence is that they will never be able to prove that Saddam had any chemical weapons in the firstplace!

.... apart from a couple of arosol cans of "raid" I mean

I only klington could figure out a way to get lewinsky into bagdad when all the "fun" begins.... like send her on a peacemaking mission to see Saddam...... I bet she would make for a really good expendable casualty:}

I can see the newsreports "Lewinsky died in the patriotic service of her country....her presence will be sorely missed by the president"

he is trying tom demonize Star. His only chance now is to declare Star an enemy of the state and that all his evedence should be handed over to Hillary for a fair investigation.

I think hillary could probably do a great job of rearranging Starrs anatomy:}

I wonder if Disney has worked out any plans to create a theme park on bagdad wasteland

now here's an idea ....If hillary could get Starr to depose lewinsky in Bagdad ... ( I'm sure Saddam would probably showup for the fun ) .... Klington could really work out a great solution to his current problems:}

BOOM!!!!!!!

....and allah would really be akbar!

there is another strategy, i believe, which clinton is working on to save him -- the economic one. there is surely some behind the scenes strongarming of greenspan to lead and join in a worldwide irate cut campaign. i think this will get underway soon, and all we need are a few weak econ nos to get it started.

On a more technical note today once again the targeted area for the DJIA is 8340 .... we have about 48-72 hrs to get there or I will agree the upmove may stimy itself for a short while ....

the look and smell of this animal still looks to be most bullish for the time being although the european markets ( especially the FTSE ) seem to be taking a small brief respite from their blistering performance......again watch the FTSE for major directional changes

The gulf war was most dammaging for the USD back in 1990 could be a similar situation taking shape

klington ....guilty as sin

lewinsky ... knows klington is guilty as sin but as the sinnie is in an awkward "position"

Hillary.... knows bill and monica did it in the oval office but thank god she is a forgiving person:}

Starr....knows bill & monica did it but would be much more confortable with the videotape porno bill made with flowers

Saddam.... last seen constructing a 300 meter deep bunker beneath a bagdad orphanage

Canada........ has announce it is comming to fight at the side of the USA and has dispatched the HMS Toronto with "one elderly Sea King helicopter on board.... to quote the TGM "would add nothing to the strike capability of the already considerable US armada in the gulf"

I sure wouldn't like to be in charge of reading Saddams palm these days.....it seems his lifeline seems to stop abrubtly

then again klingtons political lifeline seems to reflect the same pattern

Hillary must be dreaming about where she'd be today if she weren't married to "that idiot"

the idiot must be wondering which prison he'd be in if he were not married to that "smart woman"

Hi Anyone: Do you have an alternative site ( to DBC ) for gold futures quotes?...Haven't been able to access DBC for days~~~~~

Ted are you using this one??

http://www.dbc.com/cgi-bin/htx.exe/dbcfiles/indicators.html?source=DBCC

or I have a more detailed one coming next!!

Ted
GCJ8 go to chart and choose all sessions.
http://www.quote.com/cgi-bin/jchart-form?genApplet=yes

China might devalue in 1999, economist says
http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980210/china_econ_1.html
HONG KONG, Feb 10 ( Reuters ) - China will probably devalue its currency in 1999, but it will hold off as long as possible to avoid igniting fresh chaos in Asia's financial markets or hurting Hong Kong's economy

Ted this one is really better....:

http://www.dbc.com/cgi-bin/htx.exe/dbcfiles/curcommt.html?SOURCE=core/dbc

Thankx from mois+ Willy~~~~~~~~~

http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980210/iraq_russi_1.html

http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980210/china_econ_1.html

Bro, I mean, Cousin, John, did you ever see a film with one of those Roman/Greek rowing vessels in it ? You remember there was a guy who kept the beat so the slave oarsmen all stroked together ? Now, that's an information standard. It's never going to happen on this planet. Too many of the natives have tom toms. Regarding the apparent Public Relations success of BC: are you familiar with the French expression "peeing in the soup" ?

Last night there was a wire story on here about the Japanese MITI officials and how they were going to Indonesia "to get the facts". I signed off wondering what the Indonesians would show them. They have already used up the bats out of the soldier's mouth trick on Cohen. Then it came to me: they still have not revealed the new assays on Bre-X.

But I'm still scratching my head over the Russian story of strategic platinum reserves. I mean, if you produce 15% of the world's total, why do you need a strategic reserve ? But, then the Americans, the world's leading silver producer, have a silver strategic reserve. So, it all makes good sense after all. I just know in my bones that somehow Buffett is going to sell his silver to the USG someday to replenish the American strategic silver reserve. Who else can he sell it to and avoid the transaction costs of assay and refining ?

When you receive:

HTTP Error 404

Hit refresh or reload
and this usually cures problem.
I think problem is with overloaded
DBC server.
Take care...Barb

http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980210/indonesia__2.html

Now all the gold in the world has been sold ten ( or more ) times over...at least, ten different peopleo own the same damn gold. WoW! Do not...may I repeat please...do not have your name on a piece of papero that says you owe somebody some gold...if you do...it will be Route 357 to the heado.
Get our ass out of the Immersion Gulf...send Camdessus...promise them some money for inspections...
Teddo, get the hell out of Gulf Breton...there are germs.

had to completely re-install Win95 .. strange things are happening downunder.

almost every time in the last two days whn I launch a programme after starting I get error messages sayinf that my application had caused an error and i had to shut down.it was not specefic to one programme.

I firstly formated and reinstalled my OEM ver of Win95 then office95.alas alas no improvement----next I turned the bios back a year ,did a low level format and repeated installation====it is now working

Any guesses what went wrong-?--sorry for being off topic----but i phoned a few other heads around the place they same is happening to them--- now I am confused and hope the problem isint bigger

p.s. this is true and not intendered to to scam anyone

regards joe

jsmith@wire.net.au

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1998-02/10/008r-021098-idx.html
Findings Link Clinton Allies To Chinese Intelligence
In a summary, the report says: "Illegal foreign contributions were made to the DNC and . . . these contributions were facilitated by individuals with extensive ties to the PRC."

"In Tokyo, the Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi Ltd ( BTM ) said it was proposing
to the Japanese and Indonesian governments that they set up a fund to
allow Indonesian firms to exchange the rupiah for the U.S. dollar at a
much stronger rate than the current level." = Japanese interpretation of the information standard for currency valuation.

Is it all Orientals or just the Japanese that are inscrutable ?

Thanks Donald for all the excellent Info. Why is Russia so Worried about contamination, if SH doesn't have massive stockpiles of weapons. Don't get me wrong , I DON'T LIKE BC, but SH is in direct violation of UN sanctions. This is not going away. To everyone running down America I say , germs have no sense of directions. SH has plans to use agents , or he wouldn't be so hell bent to make them. What should we do, let him pick the time and place? Everyone better think about this long and hard before passing judgement. The leaders of your countries must have hard facts to become a part of this. Before everyone jumps all over me, I ask you, what would you do?

Ted: I hope you didn't move your C$ to U$ yet. The C$ opened up over 70 cents. Actually the C$ is just like gold--nobody on Kitco knows where it is going : ) )

selby---c$---told ya'll over a month ago it was going
down the tubes.....ask ted....he was long-----

read kitco--------the archives going back for 16 months.....
we have discussed EVERYTHING under the sun........ziva
is not the first with ANYTHING......much less the bildebergers
or war in 1998........

want to know of the real deals made by the us with the rest
of the world........the ones we are not supposed to know.........

read-------'kissinger on the couch'.........by chester ward

have the seat-belt tightly strapped.........you will be thrown
from the chair other-wise..........

Here is a URL for SA goldmines--and just about everything else---as posted by our old buddy Searle on SI.
http://www.wen.co.za/wen/charts/wcja.htm

Is Isure Ziva on new. calming drugs ? Is SH really Freddie Krueger ? Is another word for Asian currency contagion PANIC ?

The smoke to which you refer will not be due to LUCK. We have armed Iran and others for many years now. The Russky cuzzins have sold innumerable weapons of every shape, size and description to any and all who have the cash to pay whatever a given Bureaucrat or Warlord was asking.

The Chaostan site on the bnet, developed by Richard Maybury, has excellent info.
Having been a suscriber to his Newslettter for over five years ( successfully, I add! ) I have absolute confidence in his prognostications. They are not based on conjecture or wishful thinking.
Nor does he give a precise lunar calendar for events.

He has long admonished the ownership of the physical PMs as well as mining stocks. He also recommends a "War Portfolio".
He feels and I follow his thinking, that the Straits of Hormuz can and very likely will be a deathtrap for our military.
One Cruiser or other medium sized ship can block entry or egress if sunk at the right place.
Ducks on a pond can fly up, up and away. Men on ships cannot.
Aviators cannot land on carriers under bombardment, either!!
Not much luck needed for shooting fish in a barrel!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-02/10/063l-021098-idx.html
As for military action, McCain said the United States must seek to "inflict serious damage" on the Iraqi Republican Guard, the "palaces" that Saddam Hussein is trying to protect from U.N. inspectors and public as well as military communications. "The United States should not accept "restraints on targeting intended to minimize criticism from other nations [that] will have the effect of reducing the likelihood that objectives will be accomplished," McCain said.

The long awaited 13 drill holes from this fascinating play will be released tomorrow.

the 13 holes were drilled from within the orebody--delays in results have been brought about the extreme grades ---meters expected of 2-3%Silver.

i.e over 500 oz /tonne------overall grade to go inexcess of 1%

Anybody who knows of a lab that can handle these grades--please lets know I shall pass the on to the company.

joe

jsmith@wire.net.au

cherokee: I know you did--but it is going up.

Thank you for your posts. Good analysis. Lets see how Kinross opens this morning.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-02/10/135l-021098-idx.html
California in particular, with barely time to savor an export-based comeback from the worst downturn since the Great Depression, faces an uncertain future once again for its newly restructured economy because of the volatile markets and weakened currencies in Asia.

read your 8.08. I think you're totally "on the money". This whole ME thing
is a diversionary tactic to take the spotlight off Monicagate. Last night on our evening news here in Dallas, the big news was that 3,000 soldiers would be shipped out from Fort Hood in Killeen, Texas ( 300 miles south of Dallas ) . This morning, that deal is supposedly off and soldiers will be shipped out from Fort Stuart ( ? ) in Georgia instead. I don't think that the powers that be have thought this thing through. As soon as US soldiers start coming home in body bags, B.C's popularity ( if it really does exist ) will drop like a stone.

I also believe that SH is a real menace and something needs to be done there, but why blow up the whole ME and take a lot of innocent people with him.

I got a bad feeling about this. Bad feeling.

Almost 2 weeks have now gone by, give or take a week.

Date: Wed Jan 28 1998 00:25
cherokee__A ( @----the-tree-of-truth------the-big-man-up-stairs-planted-it----and-the-seeds-abound--- ) ID#344308:

myrmidon----

guess you missed mine on friday----

gold is going to 400+ with-in 2 weeks.....give or take a week.....

when klinton goes.......so goes gold....to the moon.....
and it will be too late to get in.........yes, said again....

and klinton IS going......as he and his ilk deserve....

BCs popularity ( if it really exists ) - I have been thinking this since I first heard of these numbers giving him this high rating. I say it is manufactured Arkansas Hogwash.

Serve Camdessus a crumpet laced with anthrax. Pee in the tea.

Speed bumps in shopping centers are a greater menace to the well being of Americans than is Saddam Hussein and should, accordingly, have the higher priority for elimination. How can we possibly contemplate removing our National Security Freddy Kreuger creation before we have invented his replacement ?
What will conflict in the Persian Gulf area amount to ? A demonstration that somebody bought last year's obsolete weapons system with perfectly good oil.

can go up in the midst of all these major problems and the only reasonable conclusion that I can come to is that "the average joe" just
does not relate to any of these matters UNTIL IT AFFECTS HIM PERSONALLY. When the local TV station interviewed some of the wives at Ft. Hood last night for their story, the wives were definitely NOT in favor of the soldiers going to the ME.

Saddam has a 79% approval rating in Iraq...huh? Elvis was 93%.

Way too good a table setting for that dirtbag. However, I do wish to thank you for the kind thought.

I wasn't long the Can. dollar ( I owned real estate in Canada ) ---Selby:Yup, I converTED 75,000 ( 50% ) of my Loonies for USD's yesterday so typical it's soarin t'day....Studio.R-Will be back in yer face as moving guy is here to give est...

I've had discussion with my collegue professors and no one refutes the statistics giving for BCs popularity. I've taught classes in random probability and stochastic processing as they relate to engineering applications and I can't see how 250 M people can be represented by 511 samples with +/- 4% error.

Any business type out there which can explain the "smoke and mirrors" regarding these poll results. The representative sampling must be specific for either geography, income, education, etc. If this is so, they pollsters don't tell U that these results represent POOR, inner city, single-mothers that are registered Democrats....... hmmmmm...

Avalon and Sharefin:
Lets get to our senses, It takes a war to undo a possible love affair ? It sounds like the Trojan war where the excuse was the "Beautiful Helen".

Realistic: If Clinton leaving drives gold to $400, he can do it right now. But I think it will take more than this to move the metal...

at the same time

Statistics, just heard the coward elect with his pants down lie outright about the economy, deficit, wages, employment, etc. Phooey!

I have a question, is it me, or does he look like he had his foreskin transplanted under his eyes.

The US will bomb Iraq and declare that Saddam has been defeated--for the moment. Then Sadam will rise from the rubble and declare that he has stood up to the Yankees and he will be stronger than before the bombing. US citizens and property will be the target of bombings through out the world and the UN observers will never see a weapon of mass destruction and may never get back into what is left of Iraq. On the other hand Sadam may give up for the moment just before the bombs drop.

hit them massively without knowing what Holocaust it will do in the area.

one of the news shows last night and he had some real good ideas.
1. Try a Radio Free Iraq program to get the word out to the average Iraqi.
2. Drop leaflets from planes to also get the word out.
3. Try to get SH with a covert force of 100 or 200 men.
4. The West should try to get humanitarian aid into the country making sure it gets to the average Iraqi.

There are probably a few alternatives short of this armada that is being built up.

Dual Dick.

by the Moneychangers.

Good news for BMG: Merrill Lynch downgraded the stock from
"accumulate" to "neutral" and you know how much this powerhouse
wants all of you to profit from your gold stocks investments !!

My interpretation ? Buy with both hands. Merger in the wind. Don't get left out as some did with Amax Gold.

Most people in Hawaii think he is the bomb,they will just about fight you if you say anything bad. ( could have something to do with this state being run by democrats forever and heavy on the welfare and govt. jobs,but make no mistake he IS popular here.

If there is nuclear or bio weapons lobbed all over the place, the oil boys will have to pump wearing suits.

On the other hand, if we just napalmed the entire afterwards, covered it in concrete, stuck one pipe in the ground and lit it, it would make for a great shrine for a group of people who were in such a rush to get to heaven they all got on the same cloud.

Turn it in to a tourist attraction, tax it, garner some revenue and never have to worry about parking.

The Green Paper is now the subject of an editorial in
Business day having been taken out of the hands of little
clark bloggs boy reporter.
It says there is much to praise in the green paper like
lowering taxes, BUT the proposal that mining houses use
or lose their mining rights threatens to undo much of the
paper's good work.
Full compensation to mining companies is not mentioned
but is guarenteed under the constitution. But thats
being silly anyway. Small scale Black companies would
not have the capital to develop the new mines anyway nor
would they take on the risk. They would also have to buy
exploration work on the property. After Mzi Khamalo's
disaster with JCI, I dont think anyone can scratch
together enough Black investmnet money to go this
route. Why do they worry about White money in mines
when White Pick and Pay and Checkers shops are
squeezing out small Black retail business in the townships.
And making much more money than the mines are.
I think this wont really get anywhere beyond a few
lunches for the energy minister, and a lot more
attention than he's been getting in the past.

Iraq is several 100,000 sq miles in area. The "experts" claim that only 5 lbs of anthrax is enough to kill everyone on the planet. To think that the Iraqis could'nt hide at least a small cache that could'nt be found, no matter how thorough the search & destroy mission, is beyond ludicrous, & just shows how brainwashed the masses have become. The former Ambassador to Iraq said that they could hide 5 lbs right in the U.N. building & it would never be found.

Thanks for not answering a question with a question. That's the problm there are no easy answers, much the same as with gold.

Force fired fem pilot for Adultery, What about comm-in-chief

1. Lack of smoking gun weakesn stance on Iraq.
2. South Korean union rejects pact easing layoffs.
3. Suharto considers pegging rupiah to US dollar.
4. IMF assess its hits and misses in Asia.
all the above on page A14.

5. Spinning Starr. editorial on page A18. Interesting article. Discusses the
accusation smade about Starr by David Kendall. Suggests that if Kendall is correct about the "leaks'' then The Prez should start the process of having Starr fired.
Quote, " In Mr Starr, they ( the Clintons ) , may finally be meeting someone beyond their experience, someone who cares less about the polls than about his duty. "

Go ahead, break my heart, you are sitting under an umbrella, sipping a rum runner with your laptop. Surrounded by liberals, nope, no sympathy.

It just ain't fair.

No offense, just jealous dammit!

He will say the US used chemical weapons on them during the bombing to make it look like ( SH ) had them. He is up to it. Do you think that this would unify the Arabs and Muslims in hatrid against the US??? He has NO HEART but of stone. Consider the antipathy that Bo Pal in India created for DOW Corp. This ploy will work because the Arabs do not trust Western news or intelligence. They believe what their own people spin up for stories. My sense is that any people he wants out of certain cities are being moved out at this moment. The sheep are left. This would also be an excuse to eliminate many of his enemies and those municipalities which were not so whole hearted in supporting him.

IF this is what is going on then he has been playing this like a well worn fiddle; placed "weapons" sites just where he'd want them to be, etc. Reminds me of a saying about Herod the Great, "It's safer to be Herod's pig than his relative.".

I know I ate two or three pounds of anthraxed lamb fries one time at a basque greasey spoon in Bakersfield in 1978. Felt bad for about a day.

As a "behavioral scientist", ( got the degree" B. S." Ta pruv ut ) I did research by means of "polls" during my undergraduate days.
Even collegiate greenies can learn in a short time precisely how to skew results.
Particularly when polling the most ignorant, shiftless and worthless fraction of a population.
I refer to the 43% of the 30 or 40 or whatever percent of our total populace who actually voted and subsequently put the 1st P**** in the White House.

You will notice the form of the questions in the polls has not been divulged.
Ask almost any man thia one;"Is it anybody else's business what a man does, so long as he does his job right?"

Odds are the response will be -"'course not"

I leave it at that!

Joe Smith: ad WIN95
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In my case, the problems were caused by .dll -files - please dont ask me for details, as I am no software-freak. But maybe this could be a hint to ask someone for help. The second problem was an old version of the driver of my scanner, which was unable to handle more than 8 or 16 ( dont know any more ) MB-RAM. Hope this helps. In my case it did not solve the problems, but at least eased them.
Leave the office now, will be back tomorrow about 6.00 Kitco-time. Best wishes.

Oris -
Ive been hiding something from you oris - Ill come clean.
It was me Oris - I asked that Canadian guy to run Norilsk.
He and I ( in one of my great white hunter shape changes were
in Siberia looking for tigers and drinking vodka ) . He talked
a good game and I knew Norilsk was stuffed up so I asked him
to run it but not to tell anybody. He said he he'd think about
it. That was where we left it.
Also for info, Impala platinum just announced 90% increase
in profits and have doubled dividend. May this guy here should
run Norilsk.

Commander-in-chief with his pants down, Gold will shoot up in March and no manipulation will cap it

I have previously used win 3.01 but recently purchased a new IBM with win 95. I allways view KITCO in the short format and now everytime I view an expanded posting and go BACK it allways goes to the top posting and not the posting that was expanded, this of course requires one to scroll all the way back to the posting that was expanded. I can not find any way to change this operation.

Do you think more people in gold markets than stock markets, the answer is in those numbers, let the markets go to L and watch that change!

The minute New York opens they go to work at protecting their positions by applying downside pressure! The problem they have encountered over the last couple of weeks is the downside has been limited and the pog has been fighting back on a daily basis. SOMEONE IS ACCUMULATING GOLD!

Avalon
That was not written by me but garnered from the web.
I couldn't rant like that if I tried.

Our people spin up as much crap as their people spin up. The difference, we eat better than their people and have cable. Don't forget that. Propaganda is propaganda.

That would stifle Uncle Sam's current world hegemony

All:

Anyone expecting a war, in the sense that there will be two matched forces in battle, is in for a disappointment, After having a great deal of his military infrastructure taken out in the first affair, SH is in no position to put up any significant resistance.

Going into the first encounter, the media was full of stories about how at minimum 10,000 US soldiers would die, and several times that number would be wounded. Actual US Gulf War casualties were significantly lower than casualties due to traffic accidents in the US over the same time. period.

The second time around is going to be no different, except that the level of engagement is going to be much smaller. For starters, expect all of SH's 60 odd palaces to disappear. Add to this any potential weapons sites whose access was restricted. If SH is so unfortunate to be in one of the palaces, so much the better.

As for the vulnerability of the aircraft carriers in the Persian gulf, let's be serious. The most successful mission flown by the Iraqi air force during the war was the mass desertion to Iran on day one. The targeting capabilities of scud missles have also been amply demonstrated.

The big risks in this 'war' are that Iraq fires off some chemical or biological weapons towards Israel and actual hits something that matters. If this occurs, it is not out of the question that Israel retaliates in kind, but certainly far more effectively. In some bizarre circumstance one could see Syria and or Iran using this as cover to attack Israel, although it would be highly unlikely. There is very, very little for them to gain by starting a war with Israel, and an enormous amount for them to lose.

The most likely outcome, if SH does not back down, is that SH is taken out. Everyone publicly bitches and moans about the US and how targeting leaders for assassination is a terrible, terrible thing, while privately they raise their glasses, and toast SH good riddance.

Thank you Myrmidon for the whiff of reason. "Let's come to our senses. Does it take a war to end a possible love affair?" It has been getting to sound like Ziza around here lately.

Wetgold and Tolerant:
After watching what the media has done with a few unsubstantiated allegations and a bimbo do you really think they would give Clinton his presidency back on a silver ( see this does have something to do with PMs ) platter by cooking the polls?

Mozel:
Great idea that W Buffett will eventually sell his silver to the US government to replenish the strategic stockpile. That would protect his sell price.

All war watchers:
It was reported last night in the Spanish newspaper "El Pas" that US warplanes will be allowed to refuel in Spanish airspace and to take off from bases on Spanish soil. Will look up the URL if anyone is interested. ( I posted it last night shortly after 00:00 - it is in Spanish )

Got to go to the office where I pump oil to give it away....."I'll drink about it." ( unofficial goldbug response to any proposal )

Stu..stu...studio.

Yes I do think they would. I have yet to speak with someone that thinks anything of the coward elect during the past few weeks. He is the laughing stock of the world.

never before

Since everyone is speculating about Iraq and the consequence that an attack will have on the Middle East, let me throw something on the table.
Read Ezekiel 38 and 39 about Russia and an army of Arab nations invading Northern Israel some day in the future. These countries are identified by the original sons and descendants of Noah. Today these countries would be identified as Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, Russia. The countries identified as to asking the question "why have you come for plunder" would be England and her colonies, Arabia, Jordan.

If the USA acting as an aggressor nation without the backing of the United Nations or the rest of the world community attacks Iraq then Russia might counter attack and should she wound USA then what is spoken of by Ezekiel regarding the Valley of Megiddo could very well take place.

This is not, I repeat not the battle of Armageddon spoken of later in the scriptures. However, this major event in human history would shift the balance of power away from USA and Russia to the EU who would then rule the earth until the second coming of Christ.

If this war does develope into something bigger then watch your PM take off. I hope it doesn't happen, that is the war. Anyway be on the alert.

Denton, TX

Exactly right, no ground troops, zip end result. We screwed the pooch the last time. Nobody knows what the surrounding countries will do this time and they certainly have weapons that could inflict damage.

and Russia will back whichever way Oil sympathies move

If you use Netscape, try Edit, then Preferences and click on last page visited. I do'nt know if it will work, but give it a try.

I am coordinating a fleet of battleships in the Gulf of Breton with our mission to round the tip of Nova Scotia---go up the St.Lawrence Seaway and re-take quebec from the french ( lower case ) ...Been there-done that but like Iraq somethings have ta be done twice~~~~~~~

Let me make sure I have this right. "So let's prop him up again now that we have him on his knees"??? With reasoning like this, it is no wonder Ziza thinks she has a following on this site.

"... BC is popular in rigged polls, I have not met a single person who was compassionate for him... "

The folks who do these polls say that is because your circle of freinds think as you and therefore your results cannot be statistically representative of the overall population.... get with it, man!

Hit your refresh button and reload the entire Kitco page with the posts on it. Then let the entire page load, look at lower left status indicator to see that it is solid grey with no lettering or anything in it. After that you should be able to view a post and the backspace button will take you back to the exact point you were at.

This may be it. You must let Kitco fully load.

Thankx

Well,lets blow that up too then!

with potential threat to Israel, In peace time ( 1980 ) Israel had knocked out a Iraqi Reactor in Night air strike as it was a threat then. Now the bigger will take place

Wetgold and Tolerant:
After watching what the media has done with a few unsubstantiated allegations and a bimbo do you really think they would give Clinton his presidency back on a silver ( see this does have something to do with PMs ) platter by cooking the polls?

tolerant1 ( PH in LA ) ID#31868:

Yes I do think they would. I have yet to speak with someone that thinks anything of the coward elect during the past few weeks. He is the laughing stock of the world.

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CBS must have obtained DBC ...
TED your access problem solved.
Take care...Barb

"During continuing unrest in the middle east, one of the leaders will
be able to get ahold of an atom bomb. He will be crazy and go to the
greatest lengths over the smallest thing and will not hesitate to
use the weapon because his obsessions with deadly warfare. The people
he is warring against retaliate with a nuclear weapon. The country
has a coast on the Mediterranean.
One of the bombs will land in the Mediterranean instead of the land,
poisoning all the fish. The passages of trade in the region will be
disrupted so that the people on the other coast of the Mediterranean
will be desperate for food and will eat the fish anyway. It will
happen near the east coast of the Mediterranean in a region of
dark-colored cliffs.I p 183 ( cII-4 )
The atomic weapon being dropped by one of the Middle Eastern countries
will spark off yet another war on top of that war. Eurpoean and
Western nations will try to interfere to diminish the threat to oil
supplies. When the Eurpoean countries try to interfere, the crazed
leader who earlier dropped the atomic bomb will use the rest of his
arsenal on Europe, most striking the closer southern part.
The Eurpoean Mediterranean coast, particularly that of Italy and
France, will be almost uninhabitable, and Italy will get the brunt.
This leader is not the Antichrist but helps to set the stage for the
Antichrist to rise to power with little or no opposition. The
Antichrist will wield great power and authority; no one can arguewith him."

@James - re. anthrax - my Swiss pocket knife is enough to kill every person on Earth, if they'll all stand still & wait long enough. That kind of made-for-public-consumption prole-feed crap "5lb of anthrax is enough to kill everyone on the planet" should be viewed in the context of public opinion manipulation. Clinton & his Masters are hell-bent to have this "little war with Iraq" whereby US troops ( mothers & fathers most of them ) will die while the Supreme Coward & Exposer Bill Clinton is safe & warm in the Whorehouse, Washington, D.C.

@Avalon - Isn't it funny how the world's great Liberals, Clinton & Blair, are ardent for WAR with Iraq? Do not worry - a "provocation" WILL be found, conviently, as the seminal event to "force an American attack". Hitler & crew dressed corpses in Polish uniforms and faked a border incident back in 1939 as the pretext for invading Poland.

I wouldn't doubt that we have a few SCUDs sitting out in the desert or at sea, on some covert platform to lob at Kuwait or Saudia Arabian oil fields to provide the excuse. Recall from Orwell's "1984", that Winston Smith muses that the rocket bombs falling on Air Stip One were "probably fired by the Party" just to keep up the war-fever pitch.

The latest gag was Clinton's comments this morning that the attack wouldn't be to remove Saddam - just his weapons. Now, that flies in the face of all reason: he rebuilt, supposedly, to this current level, because we left him in power. Now, we are going to do the same thing AGAIN? Does this mean in another 6 years we will be going at Iraq again?

Weep for America, we accomplished so much, only to turn Freedom over to the most venal, vicious and manipulative of people. Our government is a sham - a veneer of republican democracy - run by thugs in suits. It took 200 years to run full-circle from freedom to totalitarian rule.

"...the best lack all conviction,
the worst are full of passionate intensity.."
The Second Coming, Yeats

Tryin ta say somethin rational~~~~~~~~

I second the motion.

Is Tuesday the Kitco amusement day?

See so little contributed to investments and
so much to war speculation !

Where is Ziva to shed some light ????

they can raise cash now is redeem US paper, Saudi Oil no longer accepts Jap Bank Guarantees for Oil shipments, check it out folks

Yeah, Buffett can't lose with his silver buy. If currencies tank, he's still rich. If they don't, his friends in Washington will buy it from him for strategic reasons. I think they call it a straddle trade.

Ted-R U the Antichrist? Do U have the Mark

You and and a "contributing" lady will make an excellent couple
in the Nostradamus site.

The guy was a sorcerer but you don't seem to get it.

Let me throw something else on the table.
I will be happy to place my faith in Ezekiel 38 and 39 the moment you explain why back in 2000BC old Ezekiel, who obviously had everything all figured out, couldn't be bothered with naming the future combatants properly so we sould really know what he was talking about. Why leave such an obvious hole for you, the divinely inspired Denton, TX to have to fill in now these 4000 years later? Or was this just a make-work technique for the coming of Ziza?

Thanks D.A. for explaining that giving SH a nice pasting will be more like the Khadaffi adventure in Libia than a war in any real sense of the word. George Bush had to hype the process for the Dessert Storm War because we really did not know what was going to happen. This time around, as you so ably point out, will be different.

BTW, some of those toasting SH's demise will probably be the same Saudi princes who have denied us permission to fly from their soil. Go figure.






Read Ezekiel 38 and 39 about Russia and an army of Arab nations invading Northern Israel some day in
the future. These countries are identified by the original sons and descendants of Noah. Today these
countries would be identified as Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, Russia. The countries identified as
to asking the question "why have you come for plunder" would be England and her colonies, Arabia,
Jordan.

You stated "Wetgold and Tolerant: After watching what the media has done with a few unsubstantiated allegations and a bimbo do you really think they would give Clinton his presidency back on a silver ( see this does have something to do with PMs ) platter by cooking the polls?

Reply: Bill Clinton has been a media darling for quite some time. They also know a juicy story when they see one. This latest hype that has been going on for a month or so is the result of Clinton pissing someone off in the confined of some high level board room IMHO.

Just as new stories brek the Plunge Protection Team and SPIN MDs fire back volleys to change the direction of the conversation. Most of these diversion are ridiculous: "Right Wing Conspiracies", "Grand Jury Leaks", etc. What does the press do ? THEY TAKE THE BAIT.

Example1: When the White House went on a 2 day new-media blitz with all the regular pit bulls ( including Chester James Carvile ) accusing Judge Starr of criminal offenses regarding Grand Jury testimony it became a regular discussion on ALL Natioanl New Media for several days.

Example2: Ted Koppel ( Nightline ) independently verified Jackie Judd's report of secret Grand Jury testimony several minutes prior to airing ( late at night ) . Does anyone believe that Koppell's source was close to the Starr camp and does anyone believe that Judge Starr's people want to jeopardize the investigation ?

COOKING POLLS -- There are those in many high ranking places who would cook the books and help this guy. He has the power of the Presidency.

Follow the money trail ...

Quite frankly I think every investment strategy and concept of why the metals do what they do, or don't do has been so beaten into the ground a little break is in order.

Asia is in a depression, Japan is about to fall, the world is about to go into an economic decline not seen since the 30s, everybody and their brother thinks the US economy is strong as Supermans BO.

Every broker thinks stocks are great, the contrarians think the metals rule and everybody has some fact, wave, chart, star, or something to back up what may on may not happen.

I think a little healthy off topic won't hurt a thing.

I am just waiting to hear someone ask how Jimmy's brother Warren can afford all that silver and tell us they are moving to Hollywood.

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I asked this question earlier ( no one repsonded ) but perhaps some folks on line can answer now.

In what form is WB taking delivery: Coin, 100 oz bars, JM, etc ?
Knowing WB won't live forever what will the costs be for storage and assaying the lode if not coin ?

TIA

Try golden-eagle stupid~~~~

Everyone wants details about a sleazy idiots sexual escapades with women. No one seems to care about the real heroes: the sons and daughters that are about to be killed in action, halfway around the world, with no clear military objective.

This is exactly how things started in Vietnam. But I suppose our leader wouldnt remember our military excursion there, would he?

out your last hurrah, DOW has tripled in less than 8 yrs, Not our Incomes Equities payout 20-30% return while GDP is 2-3% growth, go figure.

It will sit in a warehouse where the other wealthy keep their goods. Most likely in bars.

Thankx for your site Vronsky!

"... No one seems to care about ... the sons ... that are about to be killed in action... "

I took out daughter because it is too hackneyed and knowing the reality is THEY DON'T BATTLE AS DO THE MEN IN THESE SKIRMISHES.

Now... The real point here is that "no one seems to care about" the behind the scenes arm-twisting Clinton is performing to get support for his diversion. "I'll withhold some aid if U don't help me here guys"

Damn you brother....that Canuk-Buck is on the rise. HOLD TIGHT!
And thanks for the chicken ( bost ) article.....DOH! But it is still a buy. At 7 dollars something we buy and wait until next year. oh my??!? or ...... ( ugh ) .....7 to 4 to 2 .....and so on......... ( klunk ) ... ( sunk ) .......sssssshhhhhhh! don't tell anyone...

StudioR - I think I had the same lamb...or it could have been one of the desert wimmins. Spent a god-awful two days riding the Bus....the porcelain kind..... ( more ugh ) .....and what are you doin' in Bakofied?? God-forsaken.....yes it is....checking into this SantaFe thing....it might be too close to the Cruise date....we'll see....perhaps 29black will pay handsomely.....uh huh.

Cherokee - I am playing the Euro's from both sides...and pretty big I might add. It is VERY tight right now wanting to break.......dum dee dum......I gotta run...go oats...

Spuds - the swiss knife thing is a 'roller' ( the business end of that corkscrew can be deadly from 1 foot ) ....and so was that stuff yesterday. You are funny when you aren't bitter ( grinny ) ...go gold.

D.A. - my ticket sales are waning........must be this Iraq thing.

away...to cash in on Euros....yahoo.
uyingANDsellingwithbothhands

No bad feelings, some fun is always needed, so it is
amusement day.

A small fortune for ongoing storage fees ....

I wonder if anyone figured out the cost to assay the lode on re-sale.

You can also get there by going to:

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/data/dbcfiles/market_monitor.htx?source=htx/http2_mw

Then click on Silver and return to Market Data by clicking BACK.
This also works with Gold, Oil etc.

Have a great trading day guys...out of here....Barb

US frenzy, Only Nations Forced are backing US Action, what a pity

What do U think of ANOTHERs $100/barrel ?

All the worlds a stage for the BILDERBERGERS. BERGERBOYS and TRILATS to steal the show at this years TONYS AWARDS. Unfortunatly the price of admission will be a huge loss of life both here and abroad. Hold on tight ladies and gents the show is about to begin.

Dont mess it by turning major populations there and elsewhere against you

Thanks for the reply but even that does not work.

win the mind in this war, then consequences are incalculable for developed World

in his daily commentary says they put out sell recommendation for silver on Monday. Says London traders report gold producer buy back was seen in the past few days. Nationality of the producer is not known. Concludes with remark 'hope the producer will do a great deal of forward selling when gold rallies'.
The man is consistent.

"This is a real coalition. ... These are countries who are pledging their assistance and material support, and we are very happy to receive it,..." Secretary Cohen said.

Both sides are the problem for the Americans. I despise these bastards as well as those idiot citizens of the U.S. that put up with this sh_t.

Thank you sir for reminding that I am an idiot.

Ted:

Please accept my appologies. Sometimes when I sit in front of the keyboard my brain gets into this stupid thinking mode. I've just got to find a way to break the habit. Maybe I could get a load of that stuff that Cherokee puts in the old peace pipe.

The invasion of Quebec sounds like a grand crusade. The world needs a little more crusading. Too much of this statesmanship b ( *&&*&t. It just makes you want to puke.

I say get out the old broadsword, battle axe and trucheon and be men. The french should go back to doing what they do they well, and that's cooking. Running a government is way out of their ken.

My brother has a small iron forge in his garage that I'm sure I can borrow. I hereby offer you my services as First Armoror.

P.S. Since you're going to be titular head of this thing, might I humbly suggest beefing up the moniker a little bit. When I picture the burly men, hoisting their tankards, and toasting their toasts, the audio track just doesn't quite make it when they shout 'long live Ted'. Maybe something like 'Theodore the Great' would be in keeping with the spirit.

Your Humble Subject,
D.A.

Okay so lets say he takes delivery, now he has the shipping cost on top of the - How does he store, protect, etc the goods. Why not leave it where it is?

As far as the assay, I would image if everything is stamped, and sealed properly and can be verified there is no big deal there either.

I don't think people that purchase 130 million ounces have the same problems as people that purchase 50,000 ounces.

I bet they kiss Warren's butt any which way he asks.

Years of Easy money have blinded us to the true nature and role of money. While
iniatially the expansion of a credit based system helped solve many problems of available
capital and liquidity,predictably it would bring many of its own troubles thru excess and
abuse.
Golds steep drop of the last two years clearly indicates how severely the Easy
Money ( Credit ) era has eroded our sense of values both economic and moral. True
money has 4 main elements. INTRINSIC VALUE ( the most important because it enables
moneys three main roles: VALUE YARDSTICK........STOREHOUSE OF
VALUE.......MEDIUM OF EXCHANGE ( which facilitates what would otherwise be a
cumbersome barter system ) Historically these qualities have been found in silver and
gold. Trading was further facilitated with the creation of paper promises to pay in these
metals. In 1971 that promise was totally reneged upon and our so-called money in
reality became just empty promises. Without the restraining tie to gold and silver our
Government servants have been free to run amok with the printing presses. Now it
appears our excesses in this sorry saga are coming back to haunt us....as the polluted
paper which is supposed to lubricate the financial system is fouling it instead. The
current dilemma is THEY must keep doing the very thing which caused the problem in
the first place....keep printing or face collapse. Further complicating the scene is the use
of one nations currency as a basis for international financial dealings..giving that
currency in effect a split personality. Adjustments that may be necessary to accomodate
the International function may often conflict with whats needed at home. ( Interest rate
changes for instance ) .An independent value unit for international dealings is clearly
needed. As the present Fiat fling groans under the burden of its many inadequacies
change is urgently needed. It is time to re-discover that a true medium of exchange must
spring from some intrinsic value which also brings the other important roles of value
-yardstick and storehouse of value. I venture it is such a lack that dooms the present
monetary setup.Is this perhaps the root of what Another is trying to convey?

Myrmidon your 10.39. Maybe you're right, we may need to get a little more organised here. Perhaps we need to have a weekly schedule, possibly along the following lines;

1. Monday ; Astronomy Day
2. Tuesday; Joke or Amusement Day
3. Wednesday; Conspiracy Day
4. Thursday ; Gold Day
5. Friday; Silver Day
6. Saturday and Sunday; Open Discussion Days.

That way, there's something for everyone. Of course, it's Bart's site and he may want to re-arrange the days.

Vince taken out before he unhinged, Vinve made dozen trips to Switzerlad immediately prior to his death.

Need to change the schedule,
lets make Sunday
the UFO day to keep UFO adicts happy too!

Ziva has Sundays off so she can help those intersted.

Avalon: If we can send laser guided bombs down smokestacks, or read license plate numbers with spy satellites, we should be able to find out where SH lurks and send in 100-200 marines in a surgical strike.

There are two problems with this scenario. Do we really want to eliminate SH, and are there any friendly democratic ( and competent ) leader types left in Iraq that have survived all of SH's assassinations? The Kurds didn't fare well during their last uprising, and any friendly to the US met an unfortunate end.

Did you notice that Turkish troops are massing on the Iraqi border to 'turn back the expected refugees' from Iraq?

I wonder, we should be practicing how to find WMD -- do we have sensitive probes that could detect traces of VX nerve gas, anthrax or botulinum toxin -- I hope so! Too bad our nanotechnology is not well advanced -- we could use it now.

"Much of this century Industrial progress in the West was made possible by cheap energy like Oil... "

The British and American conglomerates made it possible by managing their oil refineries and keeping the local administration and government officials ignorant to the technology and the importance of oil to an ever increasing industrialized world.

When they had awaken in the late 60's the locals formed a cartel while raising the education of their scientists and political families and the rest is history.

As I had hypothesized last weekend regarding ANOTHER's posts this trend may one day reverse, in that, the powerful military strategists could in the future retake the oil fields by force ( not ignorance this time ) and hold hostage world supply/demand cycles. This, of course, could only be done with the blessings of those pulling our collective strings.

Until then, this non-sense going on is JUST A DIVERSION. Let it take its course because it will go where it is told to go -- You have no say in this.

Personally, I enjoy the specualtion I;ve been reading for many months regarding the gold/oil scenario -- this is rather fascinating and definitely have seed of a truth. Don;t sit buy and let this play out -- GET YOUR PMs --NOW--NOW---NOW....

Understand this and follow it ....

I apologize if you were insulted by my strong words. My impression is that you have taken a stance against this hypocrisy by discussing it here on Kitco.

No one can single-handedly change events but collectively we can share information to inform those "idiots" that don't have enough knowledge to form a question let alone answer it.

http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980210/iraq_turke_2.html

http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980210/iraq_turke_2.html

I apologize if you were insulted by my strong words. My impression is that you have taken a stance against this hypocrisy by discussing it here on Kitco.

No one can single-handedly change events but collectively we can share information to inform those "idiots" that don't have enough knowledge to form a question let alone answer it.

"Why not leave it where it is? "

Would you leave 5 oz. Eagles/Maples with dealer ? How 'bout 20 oz., 100 oz. ... ?

I would think the more money at stake the more I would want delivery. Personally, I prefer delivery of 1/10 oz. Au. I want the sucker in my hand. Why is WB different ? Governemnt could turn on WB as they did with tobacco executives.

One more--- With the non-sense that has occurred in the past 6 years could you not foresee the government expediting criminal case for some popular political gain ? Today's environment could put you in the "pokey" for lying about the effects of smoke or cutting down trees filled with endangered animals.

Would be greatful anyone can shared the wisdom with me!Since the South east asia having the turmoil,today seems the best so far.Not sure what will happened with this policy.What's the effect,good ,bad or ugly?!Enlighten me,Anyone?
The story go:2/10/98 -- 10:16 AM

Rupiah rises on speculation of pegging
currency to dollar


JAKARTA, Indonesia ( AP ) - The battered rupiah rose almost 30
percent against the dollar today on speculation that Indonesia might
adopt a fixed exchange rate for its currency, dealers said.

The rupiah closed at 7,450 against the dollar, up from its close Monday
at 9,500.

Dealers said rumors intensified throughout the day that the government
would create a currency board and peg the rupiah to the dollar at a rate
of 5,000.

Indonesia has been mired in economic crisis for months. At its lowest
point, in early January, the rupiah hit almost 17,000 to the dollar - a
drop in value of more than 80 percent since last summer.

The currency has steadily improved in recent weeks since Suharto
agreed to sweeping economic reforms required under a $40 billion
International Monetary Fund bailout.

Suharto said Monday that his government would try to eliminate
currency speculation and that the rupiah needed to be fixed. He did not
elaborate.

Suharto met last week with economist Steve Hanke of John Hopkins
University, an advocate of the currency board system.


thanks,happy trading.

.

Not offended, but a hint that others may be offended.

You are right, but a lot of Americans are not interested
in the "details" as they are not interested in PMs.

PM investors are by nature inquisitive, fact seeking,
conservative, reserved, money understanding, individuals,
and they dig. That is why they are generally "unpopular folks".

The others, .... well, we have few in this site
and I don't want them to get the wrong message from us "SAGES".

days with a 2 cent increase in profits.

On Buffett and his silver accumulation: Someone last night how he could have accumulate so much without forcing a significant rise in price until the news was announced. Someone more experienced than me might correct me but it seems it was done through the purchase of futures and then ( contrary to the norm ) taking delivery. The massive market paper trade in metals makes it very easy for one to accumulate a large position without "showing one's hand". Obviously it is the time of taking physical delivery that things become clear - but as we saw in this situation, the market only saw a gradual draw down over months without knowing where it was going. The same could easily happen with gold. Even he though runs the risk of the inability to take delivery - particularly if he's doing the same with gold as he did with silver and the word gets out too early. Any comments?

Madeleine's musings: In her testiomony before congress this AM Madeleine Albright made several significant verbal blunders.

1 ) Concerning "America" and the UN debt she made the statement - "The best America is a leader, not a debtor". What a statement! Obviously she meant it in regard to our UN Debt and her feeling we should "pay up". Consider it though, as an oxymoron regarding our current status as a massive debtor nation.

2 ) Concerning the Asia crisis, in response to a question from Senator Joseph Biden she said concerning Indonesia - "I think that the legacy he ( Suharto ) has put in economically should be maintained". I don't know what she was really thinking but it is scary to consider our desire to support and maintain a legacy of nepotism, massive corruption and ethnic oppression.

Does this mean Clinton is the Antichrist?

Seems like if he were the beast lies and sex would roll easily from the tongue....

Thanx for the coaching.

http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980210/markets_pr_2.html
"Gold's pretty dead, silver put on 10 or 20 cents to $7.25"...
( which is why there's more interest in off-topic here today ) .
Stiff resistance at $301.50... Indians melting down their
silverwares. The calm before the storm... time for
accumulation. Gold dropping to new lows? The longer
it holds up around $300, the more firmly I perceive that
the bottom is IN.

The merger anouncement is old news by now, Kinross is trading,
why AMAX is not?. No news of "trading halted". Any ideas?

Farfel, Tzadeak, where are you?

Tis the Bottom for Gold around 300.

big move on relatively normal volume.

Jin: I can help you a bit on this, though there are others on this site who know more. The currency board idea sounds like a great idea, as then the Rupiah will no longer be linked to any one currency -- so it will be more stable. As I understand it, the instability of the US dollar contributed a great deal to the current currency crisis in SEAsia -- when the respective currencies were not allowed to float freely wrt to the US dollar.

If the Rupiah is to be linked to a currency board of the world's strongest and most stable currencies ( gold too? - I wish! ) then this will be very bullish for Indonesian markets. My guess is that the 'peg' to the US dollar just refers to a starting point for launching this process. What we need to do is find out what currencies make up the currency board, and their weighting. It would be very bullish for all of SEAsia if more than one country is doing this -- as this would reduce currency fluctuation risk -- provided that the ideal mix of stable international currencies is used. I would guess that the list should include the Swiss Frank, the German Mark, the Austrian dollar ( ?? ) , the Japanese yen, the Chinese Reminbi and the US dollar, with less than 50% weighting in US dollars.

Jin -- Take care! I hope you are good at 'hiding', and being low profile.

Short term this may help ( maybe ) . But the reason Asia fell apart was because of "pegging" to the dollar. When the dollar went up, up, up it was hard to say the Asian currencies *should* be up, up, up also. If exchange floats then oiver the long haul either up or down should be slow movement. But when things are "pegged" this stops the market from judging each countries 'value'. It is only a matter of time before things will blow out again.

If I peg my money to yours and yours becomes weaker then I've 'shot my own foot'. If I peg my money to yours and MY money becomes weaker I'm better off. So, IMHO, a peg is admission that my money is weaker and will be worth less in the future. 'pegging' is not a very good idea because alot of pressure builds up that MUST be released .. and it usually will blow up in your face. It is almost always the 'weaker' money that blows up later. This is not a fix, but a problem on top of a problem.

Typical politicians, they always try the same tricks that never work.

letting that float too, if I remember correctly.

this was an interesting info by NJ. Can anybody tell me what the margin cost of gold producing is at several high cost mines. It could well be that they make a better deal to buy gold at 300 and fulfill their forward sales at 400 with it than to work for it and pay 350 plus exhaust their reserves

D.A.:Not to split hairs but I'm an Edward and I do think that a bowl-full of that 'stuff' would get ya ta think more correctly ( look what its done for mois ( on the other hand,don't...eh ) in the future...The concept ( in vogue on this site ) that the USA or Israel are equally as EVIL as the violent nut-cases of Iran-Syria-IRAQ is laughable in its IGNORANCE ( I know where I'd rather live! ) ....As for the forge-help,I can use all the help I can get to do a # on quebec-french so tell yer bro ta fire it up...eh...US 'New Yawkers' goota stick together....eh!!!...Go gold-Canada ( minus the racists in quebec ) + long live CherOkee's peace pipe! ( from the lighter of the flame )

record HIGH~~~~~~~~~~~as we speak

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/business/story.html?s=n/reuters/980210/business/stories/barrick_1.html

As Steven Kaplan points out at http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/4915/
gold made its lowest spot price of $276.50 since June 28, 1979
on Monday Jan 12th. This bottom has held for nearly a month ( even though the Privateer site says it's not decisively bottomed yet ) With all that's coming ( Iraq, Asian 'flu' effects on balance of payments, loan defaults, Starr... ) this is beginning to look like a very shapely bottom.

The question about how Buffett managed to accumulate so much silver without raising the price until it was announced had a faulty premise I think. I believe Silver went up about $1.5 in the months before the announcement.

Clinton, distraught and contemplating his latest scandal was walking
through Washington looking for any kind of guidance. He walks up to the

Washington Monument, looks up and says, "George, you were always wise,
what should I do?" Low and behold, a voice comes down from above and
says, "ABOLISH THE I.R.S. AND START OVER." Clinton, amazed that he is
talking to the past President thinks he'll try it again. He walks over
to the Jefferson Memorial and utters the same request. "Thomas, you never
had these kind of problems, what can I do to rally people behind me?"
Again a voice from above answers, "WELFARE, ITS NOT WORKING, ABOLISH
IT, START OVER."

After hearing this Clinton is so excited he is planning to go to all
the historic sites for guidance. Next he goes to the Lincoln Memorial.
"Abe, I need your help, people are losing confidence in me and they no
longer
trust me what should I do?" After a substantial pause Abe responds,
"TAKE THE DAY OFF GO TO THE THEATER."

but! ...per ABC news online

Around 11:30 a.m. the Dow Jones industrial
average rallied 88.44 points to 8,268.96, eclipsing
its all-time high of 8,259, reached Aug. 6, 1997.
That also was the only time the Dow finished
above 8,200.
On the New York Stock Exchange, advances
overwhelmed declines 1,784 to 825 as 239
million shares were traded.
Broader markets also roared ahead, with the
Nasdaq Composite rising 15.94 to 1,706.37. The
last time the technology-laden index closed
above 1,700 was Oct. 22, 1997. The broader
S&P 500 index rose 7.78 to 1,018.52. A close
above 1,013.25 would mean a fifth record in
slightly more than a week for the S&P 500.
The market was helped also by news that
non-farm productivity soared 2 percent in the
fourth quarter, four times higher than the market
had expected.
Bonds were higher ahead of Tuesday's start
of the Treasury Department's three-part
quarterly refinancing. Treasury will begin the
refinancing with the auction of $13 billion of
3-year notes at 1:00 p.m. The price of the
benchmark 30-year Treasury bond was up 9/32
of a point, lowering the yield to 5.92 percent.
The dollar weakened, pressured by overnight
gains in Asian currencies led by the Indonesian
rupiah. The dollar also suffered in sympathy with
the British pound, which retreated against the
German mark following news that inflation in the
United Kingdom is well under control.

but! ...per ABC news online

Around 11:30 a.m. the Dow Jones industrial
average rallied 88.44 points to 8,268.96, eclipsing
its all-time high of 8,259, reached Aug. 6, 1997.
That also was the only time the Dow finished
above 8,200.
On the New York Stock Exchange, advances
overwhelmed declines 1,784 to 825 as 239
million shares were traded.
Broader markets also roared ahead, with the
Nasdaq Composite rising 15.94 to 1,706.37. The
last time the technology-laden index closed
above 1,700 was Oct. 22, 1997. The broader
S&P 500 index rose 7.78 to 1,018.52. A close
above 1,013.25 would mean a fifth record in
slightly more than a week for the S&P 500.
The market was helped also by news that
non-farm productivity soared 2 percent in the
fourth quarter, four times higher than the market
had expected.
Bonds were higher ahead of Tuesday's start
of the Treasury Department's three-part
quarterly refinancing. Treasury will begin the
refinancing with the auction of $13 billion of
3-year notes at 1:00 p.m. The price of the
benchmark 30-year Treasury bond was up 9/32
of a point, lowering the yield to 5.92 percent.
The dollar weakened, pressured by overnight
gains in Asian currencies led by the Indonesian
rupiah. The dollar also suffered in sympathy with
the British pound, which retreated against the
German mark following news that inflation in the
United Kingdom is well under control.

O.K., Brother John, I got it.

Running Norilsk is like riding a tiger.
It's also very cold over there. Impala
guy looks good, but I really hate to
see him suffer running Norilsk Tiger
in such a cold whether.

Jokes aside, I know nothing about Norislk
real capacity. If I can get some numbers
from Moscow, I'll share with you, use them
or waste them. But I may not be able to
get'em in the first place.

In the mean time, I do believe that this
article is much closer to truth than many
people think, but why I believe - I have
no idea. I am wild Russian and my guess is
naturally wild...

Your Wild Brother

Oris Platinumovich Norilsky

.

"... [South Africa's] 113-year-old gold industry is at last beginning to grapple with its long-standing lack of competitiveness, but there is a frightening amount to do... "

"... if the gold price had been stable, South Africa's producers would have faced an ugly mix of rising costs, ageing mines, low productivity and complex corporate structures ..."

"... ... African output fell to 493 tonnes in 1997, a 40-year low. Since 1988, the industry's average working margin has fallen by 84%, to 220 rand a tonne, and its total workforce has shrunk from 515,000 to 298,000... "

"... If [Gold Fields' shares] go below 30 rand, we'll have people jumping out of windows here".

Edward the Great sound just fine. I might offer my humble services as Court Historian and holder of the dry matches.

Dow industrials looking more and more like the same in 1929.

Holder of the Gold title to go to one of our esteemed experts?

Can you ..would you ...DO SOMETHING about the DOW and PM's ... that is something different!!

Canadians are wondering why Americans chose to live here in peace,then

spend the rest of their days crapping all over their new country.We are

confused and hurt that Americans find it neccessary to point out with

prejudice the faults ( in their opinion ) with our beautifull and peaceloving

country,while Canadians are targeted with heneous personal attacks when

travelling in the USA.Could you offer the Canadians and others from

around the world an explaination before you leave Ted.Thank you.

Looks like it is forming a top now

Gold will eventually go higher.
The only problem is it might
take another 20 years. Gold
is acting like an old dog that
it is. Even an old dog has
more guts than gold. The
world should just declare
it dead permanantly.
Consider the above a
contrary indicator. However
this indicator has been around
for more than a decade.
Sell buy buy sell ????

BillD, nobody can change market directions!

Markets are driven by my investment decisions! Just yesterday I moved money back to PM and some energy services. No surprise that today PM and energy is down and Dow is soaring to new highs!

There is only one thing which would help. Go ahead, guys, shoot me, put me out of my misery and drive PM through the roof ;- )

Don't go and do anything you will regret, I don't want to spend all this money. It is gonna move up, It's wanting to go now.

For the second day I am not able topost a chart. It can find ftp server, but gives a message "Netscape is unable to find a file or directory named: /pub/discussion ".

Sorry, somebody had to do it.
Just before I shoot gold, it confessed
it just had no more wind left after
1980. Now we can all rest. Gold has
been put out of it's misery. Gold
blew it.

D.A. If it is 'right' for the Afghans to be free of Russia and Russia itself to lose its empire, for Kuwait to expel the Iraquis, Taiwan to remain independant of mainland China, Pakistan to gain independance and black South Africans to gain majority rule what EXACTLY is wrong with a free Quebec?

Unbelievable, but I suspect the Dow will have to hit a new high before a correction could really occur. After all, people need a wake up call and when the DOW hits new highs in the face of a Presidential Sex-Scandel imminent war, and Asian Economic Collapse, that just might do it. This Bull doesn't want to die but it's in it's last breath.

Mr. Buffett is in PM's and I assume HE is patient enough to wait for his normal fantastic return. So am I. Some may have been to early to the game but at least your in the game. Fools stand with fools. WB ain't no fool. I just smile as I see the Dow rocket zoom to the sky and pray for just one more dip in gold. Doubt I'll see 285-290 for along time. The higher the rocket goes the further it falls. IMHO SMILE-WB knows what is going to happen-out of bonds-wonder why -there so safe? Have a good day. Tom

Yep, it pays to have close ties with
the DOW. And for an old friend
gold ( regret being friends ) is now
no friend of mine. May gold rest
in peace. Just another old dog.

thats what Gold reminds me of a porch dog, just sitting on the porch.
Leaving you to wonder is it ever going to move, warn you that something is approaching, but no it just sits!!!! there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

WOZA



February 10, 1998


14 gold mines, 110 000 jobs under threat - govt considers options

Government is considering a range of solutions to alleviate the plight of 14 endangered gold mines which together employ approximately 110 000 mineworkers, Minerals and Energy Deputy Minister Susan Shabangu said yesterday.

Addressing journalists at a special briefing in Cape Town, Shabangu said that her department had been warned by the mining industry to expect a significant number of retrenchments in the gold mining industry during 1998, given the present gold price.

"At the current gold price there are believed to be about 12 gold mines which are operating at a loss and a further two which are marginal [those with a profit/revenue ratio of less than 5%]", Shabangu said.

A range of solutions are being considered by the department of minerals and energy together with the affected mines, including improving efforts to promote "downstream activities" related to mining, and to gold mining in particular ( such as jewellery manufacture ) .

"We are also providing short-term subsidies related to water-pumping to relieve some marginal mines", Shabangu said. Other efforts outlined by the deputy minister include:



Promoting smaller operations and mining activities which may be mined profitably on land which larger companies find unprofitable or insignificant;

Efforts to get clarity from world central banks on their policy intentions regarding gold reserves;

Fast-tracking discussions around a social plan for equipping retrenched mineworkers with skills which will enable them to find employment outside mining; and

Encouraging initiatives to find new local development possibilities and encourage new investment in order to make the best use of the extensive infrastructure and population in declining mining towns.



The decline in the dollar gold price over the past year has been sharp, although partially moderated by the depreciation of the rand against the dollar. Gold closed on the JSE yesterday at US$300,50.

It was an old porch dog.
I just put it out of it's
misery. And didn't hear
or see anybody sheed a
tear. When a dog gets
that old, nobody really
cares anymore.

I saw a comment on Bert Dohmen's webpage about "market tone". He said that there may be a little life left in the Dow because it has still gone up despite all the bad news.
My question; How much higher and longer do you ( or anyone ) think this Dow can go ?

Jin: "Pegging" a currency is nothing more than setting a price target for a CB. If the CB has the reserves to defend the currency and a strong local economy then it will be able to keep its currency at the target specified by the "peg". It's not like the U.N. will intervene if the CB cannot meet it's target ( "the peg is broken" ) .

Hongkong has both but paid a severe price in terms of much higher interest rates and decimated stock and property markets.

The dicipline required by Indonesia to maintain a "peg" would be so brutal that they would have to shoot people in the streets.

IMVVHO, the only purpose a peg would serve would be to prop up the rupiah long enough for Suharto, his family and his friends to "cash out".

Ya must have buckshot in that gun, cause she's running now! April 302.50

I'm curious as to why you "hang around" folks who are pro-gold if you're anti-gold ?

International Taurus res. vse Up 400% since 12/27/97, what is up with this company? They are getting their house in order for something! what is it?, Much Hush Hush comments please thanks otherwise lots of rain and flooding here north of San Francisco Some sun yesterday that was nice

Just 2 weeks ago I saw two posts here ridiculing Bob Brinker's Sunday radio show "Moneytalk" for predicting 8000+ DOW and new highs in the near term. Brinker has once again proven correct in his call. His accuracy has been uncanny, in fact he PRECISELY called the last correction bottom at 7500, and gave his "buy" signal at 7500 the very week before that recent low was reached!

I'm going to have to start following Brinker more closely. His calls have been spot on in World markets as well, both upside and downside. ( He was one of the first to encourage folks OUT of the Asian markets before they collpased ) .

I still feel the DOW is overvalued, thus I missed this whole move...and I have that feeling of doom that we have nasty surprises ahead of us....corporate profits and earnings reports are sure to be disappointing in the months ahead, but we'll just have to watch closely for developments.

.

What's Brinker's PM position and analysis ?

All: The steady rise in the sp-500 for the last 10 days ( intraday charts ) is amazing. I am wondering if I should have believed my own statements about this time of the year being bullish and that rising sunspot activity would be a time of bull markets. I said at one time that a statistical analysis shows that times of rising sunspot activity increases the likelihood of a stock market rally by a factor of 2. But no -- I was too involved in current affairs and the SEASia crisis to want to invest significant amounts of cash in the market.

I see no evidence of a market top over the last 10 days of following the SP-500. And -- our 'pasting' of Iraq will be bullish for the market as well -- as long as we don't have an unexpected military reversal. I think the real threat to world peace will not be in the current ME fracas, but later when our forces have left. Unless -- Saddam has some terrorists strategically placed in the US. He has repeatedly shown little concern for preserving any kind of human life -- except perhaps his own.

But-- I see no evidence that gold is heading down, either.

I think what we need to do is shrug off our natural tendency to want to jump into the equity markets as we watch the market rally, and keep our powder dry. This bull market is riding on 'vapor' as Maverick would say -- and we must steel ourselves from jumping in -- unless we are short termer pros like the Oldman.

I think we must watch Monicagate, a possible Chinese devaluation, a Brazil/Argentina/Columbia crisis -- It will take alot to bring down this exhuberant market -- but alot can happen, and quickly.

One very interesting -- and the most ominous -- fact is that AG is strangely silent as the DOW fast approaches a new high! Does he know something we don't, and is afraid to spook the market?

From the sentiment expressed here today I feel that gold is going up alot more than I suspected. Going to increase my position based on this feeling. Hey whats life without a little gamble.

You should read Heavy Hitter's post more carefully, I think.

"Consider the above a contrary indicator."

HighRise

Ted--Re:the U.N.-- good idea.

Spudmaster--A terrible indictment of your Gov't & all the other so called western democracies, but I agree 100%.

El Nino is battering Victoria this morning.

All: Are we enhancing our equity market bubble because of all the expansion in the dollar? Early signs of inflation? Look at the CRY0! And the ElNino weather in California will probably wreak havoc with the crops this year -- and boost the cry0 some more.

Does anyone know what expanding the M2 or M3 does in this phase of an economic cycle? Does inflation show itself first in the markets, as long as the markets are fairly strong?

By no means am I an expert or a skilled trader, but if you look at most bull markets, you have a major topping. Look at the charts on any comodity or markets, when their is a major run, before trend turns there is a period of a major push, then a tight channel the WHAM! momentum is like a slingshot opposite way. We are experiencing this in PM and equities, PM's in channeling stage ready to rocket up, equities have not reached channeling stage. OF course this is a novice's opinion.

I have no problem being 80% in PM's, I'm young and have time on my side!
Within 2 yrs PM's will far exceed any money in equity markets from this time forward.

The only concern I have is market melt down, where paper assets become worthless. I'm struggling with that and trying to decide how physical to get.

223:

Nothing is wrong with a free Quebec! That is the whole point of the crusade!

Away to grind axes.

Your Highness:

It would appear that some of the masses are having a hard time with the concept. May I humbly suggest that the post of Minister of Information be filled with all necessary dispatch.

What would happen if Quebec announced that upon removing itself from the political constraints of Canada ( Oh ) it plans to have a currency backed by gold starting at 10% and increasing slightly every year until the currency was 100% backed by the NEW Quebec Constitution ?

How many of us would move there and seek employment ? hmmmmmmmmmm!

All: I forgot to mention one other thing. Rising sunspot activity correlates with bullish market activity, but it also correlates well with a rising commodity price index -- perhaps even better than with the markets. Correlation with the gold price is also evident -- but my data on gold is less reliable -- partially I think due to its political nature.

By the way -- for you doubters -- I am not talking about quoting some author on sunspot activity and market behavior -- I am talking about my own graphical analysis. I do not have a clue on what the causal relationship is, just statistical correlation over 100 years.

yes, yes, wow, not me, who knows? Glad to help.

JTF, How about discussing the effect of sunspots on Saturdays ?

Avalon, can you post an updated schedule to include this one also ?

I found out what's up with Int'l Taurus. The control block of stock is owned by Hera Resources. That block is up for sale and there are discussionn ongoing for its purchase. Speculators have jumped into the stock trying to beat the announcement of a deal.
That's about it.
ILT holds 100% interest in the Taurus project in northern British Columbia. A lot of gold has been found there, but it's all low-grade stuff. if we see gold at $425, then this project become very meaningful.
ILT ventured to Central America two years ago but really hasn't hit anything of value down there.
So there you have it. It's just paper that's moving.

The Preacher

on this sit, I will either;
1. Need to have a "revolving" schedule, every other week, or
2. Need a ten day week ( hmmmm, I'm wondering if ten days would be enough ! )

May I play the fife? I have preliminary working drafts for a 40-megaton smoke bomb. This will squelch all resistance'. A happy war, your highness.

Studio.R: Always a pleasure to converse with you -- I think HeavyHitter jumped into gold/gold stocks with both feet, and is getting the shakes.

Humor is excellent medication for what ails one -- at all times !

I hope RJ is still looking down at the Pacific Ocean -- and relatively dry. The last major ElNino that hit the Calif coast converted many beach front properties into rather poorly designed houseboats! So far in the Mid West we have avoided the usual winter snowstorms, but we are having hail and thunderstorms. Very odd!

Well JTF, you heard what my secretary ( Avalon ) had to say.

I am sure he will do everything to get you some time to
discuss your sunspots. Quite frankly I feel you have wasted
to much brain power for nothing.

Am I to conclude that 9 months ago, before the Asian crisis, before the President was widely acknowledged as a psychopath, before the IRS guy in charge of Y2K compliance cut and ran, before war was certain in Iraq, before the American public proved itself incapable of ( collective ) self-respect, that the equity markets were underpriced? Or is all of this in fact good news?

WetGold: Great imagination you have. Quebec was the last province to start to get it's deficit in order and is the recipient of about C$ 5 billion a year to keep going from the rest of Canada not to mention major tax grants to keep its industry going ( eg Bombardier ) The idea that Quebec would have a gold back currency belongs with the X- Files.

JTF has got mucho brain power to spare...he can waste my brain if he should choose to do so. Me, I'm into moon spots on the dark side.

in between all the conspiracies. Should make for a change. Sorry, that's the only time available.

All that "good news" would be negated by a 1% rise in the discount rate....the mutual fund groupies are going nowhere until they hear a better band.

King Edward the I--May I nominate Gloomy Gus as Minister of Morale?

I wish we knew who you are so that you cannot just dissappear when the big reversal occurs.

I switched my wifes IRA from Fidelity ContraFund to SelectAmericanGold and SelectPreciousMetals at the end of last year. As of yesterday, including commissions we paid to switch, we have $900 more than if we had left it alone on about $20K.

That dog don't seem so dead to me! She seems ready to bite quitters like you in the butt!

Current US wholesale spot Silver $7.05
5 cents over May.

Take care ...good luck..out of here..
Barb

Sunspot, Moonspot, Goldspot ( $300 ) , .....
..... there must be some relationship.

I went out on a limb, thats were
the fruit is. I just hope when I
start back heading down the
tree the branch doesn't break.
I think you would be a little
shaky if you were looking
down a 100 feet. This is a
big tree with alot of fruit.

Can you please stay up all night and keep trashing Gold? you seem to be to have a positive effect on the price. Please?????

Give me ten minutes on every Feb. 29ths....I bet you would give Ziva that or more...Discrimination against moonspots! I also know a little bit about various roids ( aster, hemer, etc. ) .

I had a glimmer of hope for the future ... and then .... you destroy it...

XAU down -2.3%. I think this dog needs shooting also. No much
life left.

Are you a propagandist for Warren Buffett? Look, pal, you can't have any of our gold...it's all ours.

Gold will never go anywhere.
In 10 years you would have
looked back at when the
DOW was at 8300 and
said My God how could
I have thought gold was
going up. Now my nest
egg has been cut in
half and the DOW is now
trading at 20000. Somebody
pass me my gun. Pow and
you blow your brains out
waiting for an old dog to
spring to life. Oh well you
were going to die any way.
You were 99 years old still
waiting for the old dog to
come home.

30 yr. bond at 5.922%. Volume on NYSE 637 million shares. NASDAQ volume 827 million shares. Lots of shares traded when you add it up.

.... on Feb 14. A chartist indicated that some weeks back. Attributed
possibly to Valentine's day ???

People must keep in mind, dollar amount is relative to amount of dollars of individual has. In other words a million dollars to a millionaire will have same importance that a thousand dollars has to someone investing that has only thousands of dollars.

Not any reflections upon me just stating many here I ASSume not investing to level inwhich you maybe but, percentage wise maybe equal.

Have faith fellow goldbug the fever is about to catch! Hope your not leveraged and maintain enough capitals for inflows. Always remember there is no gains without risk, there're generally porportionant. ( more risk= more gain ) Of course with due research, making it a calculated risk.

GOLD'S READY TO SHINE AND I'M WEARING MY SUNGLASSES! {:+0 )

"Making money from money is not Islamically acceptable."

Money is only a medium of exchange, a way of defining the value of a thing; it has no value in itself, and therefore should not be allowed to give rise to more money, via fixed interest payments, simply by being put in a bank or lent to someone else. The human effort, initiative, and risk involved in a productive venture are more important than the money used to finance it. Muslim jurists consider money as potential capital rather than capital, meaning that money becomes capital only when it is invested in business. Accordingly, money advanced to a business as a loan is regarded as a debt of the business and not capital and, as such, it is not entitled to any return ( i.e. interest ) . Muslims are encouraged to purchase and are discouraged from keeping money idle so that, for instance, hoarding money is regarded as being unacceptable. In Islam, money represents purchasing power which is considered to be the only proper use of money. This purchasing power ( money ) cannot be used to make more purchasing power ( money ) without undergoing the intermediate step of it being used for the purchase of goods and services.

Thanks, for the chance to provide this forum with the critical decision-making data they demand. Now, I must be about my work. Are there any research grants available?

If you had invested at the top in '29, you would have waited 35 years
to regain the adjusted for inflation principle dollars back.
The question is: do you feel lucky punk?

Didn't you write a couple of days ago that you've been holding gold for 12 years? That would have put you in between $330 and $475. You goofing on us?

If some stock wizards could post gold producers meeting these criteria, we could evaluate the feasibility of buying enough shares to vote a physical dividend or a company policy of selling physical to shareowners at cost plus. Criteria: in U.S.; in production; low cost per oz.; low number of shares outstanding

"... The prohibition of riba is based on the tradition that the holy prophet ... said, "Sell gold for gold, silver for silver, wheat for wheat, barley for barley, date for date, salt for salt, in same quantities on the spot; and when the commodities are different, sell as it suits you, but on the spot." Thus, the prohibition of riba applies primarily to the two precious metals ( gold and silver ) and four other commodities ( wheat, barley, dates and salt ) ... "

Further reading: http://www.ximb.stpbh.soft.net/faculty/obeid/inter4.htm

OK, whatever. But US$ will be worth close to zero then so a 20,000 DOW will be worthless as well. The German Stock market zoomed to great "heights" during the 1920's hyperinflation. So in actual numbers it looked impressive. But with inflation factored in the German stock market dropped worse than any other country in the 1927 to 1932 time frame. Ya gotta wonder about this. Someone last night made a comment about the 1980's DOW as adjusted for inflation really looked alot like 1929 - 1932 era. The absolute numbers oscillated in a range and never went above 1000 for 10 years. But inflation eat its heart out. So the question is did we have a depression then? Or an inflation? Or both? Could this happen again?

.

US$100/Bbl oil or US$8+gold and gold at US$30,000 = 0.1 grams gold/Bbl in addition to the US$8. This is in line with his earlier posts in late 1997. At least the arithmatic is consistent. At the time he was talking similar gram/Bbl relationships.

Gold stocks have turned red
across the board. With so
many bullet wounds to the
head and chest gold will
never recover.That small
bounce you saw was a
dead dog bounce. Gold
was pronounced dead today.
No funeral is scheduled as
no one has any interest. Thats
all for now but we will keep
you posted if there are any
more developments. However
we strongly advise "not to hold
your breath".

.

Obviously you could not be, you ain't got no gold in your hands. Just alot of worthless, lighter than air paper.

For avalon
Barrick ... 1997 revenue = 1280 + 123 ( loss ) -385
addback for el indio etc = 1018 - guess at 3milloz
of gold produced and voila.....339 $/oz ..average
cost. I wouldnt bother looking at the 4th quarter
in isolation as Munk used a "kitty" from the horrid
3rd quarter to try to make it look like things were
rosy and better than 4th quarter prior year. Smart
cookie that Munk. Seems not to have fooled market
much - or was that him selling.
Re Moregolds Economist article ... if you look
back through my posts you will see I said Big economist
article would be major buy signal. These specialists of
conventional wisdom are hitting hard ... great stuff.
Hope article was negative. The more so the better.
for selby.. Shebanga is reacting exactly like I would
want her to if I were going to cut more staff. Government
is even asking for clarification from international CB.
Check aussies on that one - they just joined club and
sold gold themselves.
For Myrmidon...
you seem to be thrilled by AMAX - Kinross merger.
Lets take a look at it .. but tomorrow .. going
beddie by now.

Ideas for the Cabinet to be built by Good King Edward. For Minister of Trade--D.A. Minister of Technology-Panda, Science Advisor-JTF, Poet Laureate-sharefin of Aussie, Defense Minister-tolerant 1, Health Minister-Earl, Minister of Information-Donald _A+, ... My position? Er, I'd like to be in charge of the Gold in the Vaults.

These are words of wisdom:

"in actual numbers it looked impressive"

"The absolute numbers oscillated in a range and never went above 1000 for 10 years"

YES. When the figures are normalized and viewed relative to some other element in the market the "oscillation" is based on the classic "boom/bust" relationships for over 150 years in the USA.

When fiat currency is expanded through credit the slope of the cycle is hardly detected while taking small samples in time. This is the classic relationship described by Fourier many years ago. While time is expanded or compressed the other DOMAIN has an inverse relationship of compressing or expanding.

SO-here we have a case of viewing the data which has NOT been normalized and hoping that "trees will continue to reach the sky".... We know however that it is impossible ..

Allen ( USA ) --excellent catalyst toward seeking the truth. Some of us find it others stumble their way to it BUT we find it together ...

Laughing all the way to the bank.

Laughing all the way to the bank.
Life is good ain't it. That new yacht
gets bigger every day.

ONE week ago today we closed on our house and our lawyer forget to get the funds ( minus 11,000 in sales commission and tax ) from our realtor that had been deposited a MONTH ago by the buyer as a downpayment ( he didn't even notice the missing funds at the closing and it wasn't until we were given the check that WE noticed a discrepancy ( what's 3 lousy grand...eh ) ...Our realtor is in Baddeck ( approx.30 miles to Sydney ) and in ONE week our funds ( only 3,000 $...eh ) have still not made the long trek to Sydney...Even for here,I find this 3 stooges routine a little hard to believe and accept....Of course though,our lawyer took out his fee for NOT doing a CORRECT ( duh,what's dat ) closing....

ONE week ago today we closed on our house and our lawyer forget to get the funds ( minus 11,000 in sales commission and tax ) from our realtor that had been deposited a MONTH ago by the buyer as a downpayment ( he didn't even notice the missing funds at the closing and it wasn't until we were given the check that WE noticed a discrepancy ( what's 3 lousy grand...eh ) ...Our realtor is in Baddeck ( approx.30 miles to Sydney ) and in ONE week our funds ( only 3,000 $...eh ) have still not made the long trek to Sydney...Even for here,I find this 3 stooges routine a little hard to believe and accept....Of course though,our lawyer took out his fee for NOT doing a CORRECT ( duh,what's dat ) closing....

I believe you might be surprised at the number of people worldwide and in the US who think there is something behind the federal reserve note. There will be truly a new paradigm when everyone realizes there is nothing behind the FRN. There will be no 1929 over again because everything has changed. In the 1930's very few people realized exactly what FDR had done on March 9, 1933. Fewer still realized how the Constitution was being bypassed by the States and the federal co-operatively. From the period of 1933 to 1971, some connection, however tenuous, was maintained with gold. Federal Reserve Notes are now clearly nothing but bills of credit. We have not had a money situation in the US like the one we have now since before the Constitutional Convention in 1781.

In 1971 the United States, Richard Nixon, President, unilaterlly broke its covenent to redeem the international trading dollar in gold in settlements of balances of payments. How long will it be until it renounces all covenant with the people ? The seasons repeat, but never exactly the same. So, too, with patterns in history.

Heavy Hitter: Out on a limb? Are you in gold derivatives or margin or are you just in gold/gold stocks? I think you are ok as long as you are not in derivatives or on margin, though gold/gold stocks might not rise right away!

Myrmidon/Avalon: I was just trying to make Heavy Hitter feel better by talking about things that might make our favorite topic go up. Was trying to convince myself too, since I have a significant investment in gold stocks. I think my small gold call derivatives play is history, however. Would it be ok if Heavy Hitter keeps trashing the gold market? Might be just the discussion we need, since Kitco is such a reliable contrary indicator. Might be even better than talking about sunspots.

The dow has gone no where for 6 mos--it's time to celebrate?

Invested in gold mining shares, physical gold, platinum and
numismatics. 3 weeks ago I backed up a fleet of semi's
and loaded up. Right near the very lows. We have seen
the lows but it doesn't mean we won't go down and test
em. That's what scares me the most.

Best we concentrate on the culprits:
1. Andy Smith
2. UBS
3. Ted Arnold
4. MLPF&S
5. Micheal Camdessus
6. IMF
7. Wall Street
8. All CB's
9. The Mass Media
10. Those in the media who glorify the above. The TV channels that attack mining and those politicians who make AU look evil ( ex ) Sen. D'Amoto and his boss the Booze King.

Hell WJC is kid stuff when compared to the above.

Gold is hanging tough @300---why is everyone like they just lost
their last dollar in the last race of the day? I'm even more
interested in Heavy Hitter's psychology---Are you for real?
Regardless of where the price of gold has been in the last 10 years
investing in gold stocks at strategic times---when the price of
those stocks has been historically low---has given those with guts
more glory than the dow.
I must be missing something--help me out.

Best we concentrate on the culprits:
1. Andy Smith
2. UBS
3. Ted Arnold
4. MLPF&S
5. Micheal Camdessus
6. IMF
7. Wall Street
8. All CB's
9. The Mass Media
10. Those in the media who glorify the above. The TV channels that attack mining and those politicians who make AU look evil ( ex ) Sen. D'Amoto and his boss the Booze King.

Hell WJC is kid stuff when compared to the above.

Your message to Allen reminded me of a 1957 silver certificate
I've saved for many years. Since 1957, this piece of paper has
probably lost 90% of its value. Not so my gold and silver coins.

"... There will be truly a new paradigm when everyone realizes there is nothing behind the FRN... "
NO WAY. I EXPLAIN THIS TODAY AND PEOPLE DON'T CARE. THEY REALLY DON'T CARE.

"... In the 1930's very few people realized exactly what FDR had done on March 9, 1933. Fewer still realized how the Constitution was being bypassed by the States and the federal co-operatively... "
FORGET HIS CONFISCATION PRACTICES - LOOK AT HOW THE FR ACT WAS PASSED. THE VOTE CAME LATE DURING THE EVENING ON 23 DEC 1913 WHILE MOST CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS WERE HEADING HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

"... From the period of 1933 to 1971, some connection, however tenuous, was maintained with gold... "
GOLD WAS CONFISCATED BY EXECUTIVE ORDER AND PRICE SET AT $20.57/oz. then to $31.26 --- nice raise. ALSO, KENNEDY SIGNS EXECUTIVE ORDER #11.110 ALLOWING TREASURY TO ISSUE U.S. NOTES, HE DIES, LBJ RESCINDS THE ORDER.

"... In 1971 the United States, Richard Nixon, President, unilaterlly broke its covenent to redeem the international trading dollar in gold in settlements of balances of payments... "
IT WAS NOT BROKEN. NIXON DID WHAT HE DID TO EXPAND CREDIT - see the results ?

Invested in senior and junior gold mining shares, physical
gold, platinum and numismatics. 4 weeks ago I backed up a fleet of semi's and loaded up. Right near the very lows. We have seen
the lows but it doesn't mean we won't go down and test
em. That's what scares me the most. I knew this would
happen, so I got my seatbelt fasten tight.

Looks to me like this ole 'dead cat' may just be playing 'possum'...

http://www.intersurf.com/~vor/gold.html

No guts, no glory!!

BUY GOLD!!.....er...SILVER!!

Here are the latest Comex inventory figures released after trading today:

Gold: Fell 965 troy ounces to 427,648

Silver: Fell 435,548 troy ounces to 98,093,180 -A new 13 year low!

If gold tests the lows, the men in
the white suits well be caring me
away.

@@WetGold: Of course they don't care today. There is no practical reason for them to care. You don't get a new paradigm from talking about it. You get one when an event, an experience, invalidates the old paradigm.
I think you minced words to say USG did not break its covenant.

@HeavyHitter If gold goes down to $250 or $200, will you sell while mines are shutting down left and right ? If gold doubles to $600, will you sell. And if the answer is yes, where will you put the proceeds ?

I have lost the address of the files where our old posts are listed by contributor. Could someone please post the URL?

Thanks -

Prometheus

If gold acts like it's going to
break $290, I'm out. Period
$600 gold yes, I will sell only
if it tops. But I can assure you
I will get out alittle early.

But where will you put the proceeds ?

Stay in short term T-bills or money
market. Wait for a buying opportunity
somewhere else. Could take sometime
to reinvest.

Auric: Assuming the duties as health minister for a band of misfits bent on rape and pillage ( with emphasis on the former ) , doesn't sound like a position made in heaven. Frankly, I don't want to touch it. .... In a manner of speaking. Besides, with gold at these prices we can't afford that amount of penicillin.

Myrmidon, it looks like the market has determined that Kinross is getting the better part of the deal in its Amax merger. I suppose they are insofar as the fact that they are offering only .8 of a share Kinross for each Amax share.

Before you go and get upset, remember that ultimately, you and other Amax shareholders will end up with Kinross stock. So, therefore, it is in your ultimate interests that Kinross stock stay steady ( or even gain ) so that current Kinross shareholders do not jump ship and create further deterioration in the Kinross stock price.

Moreover, from this point on, every dollar gain in Kinross stock is a gain of .80 for you and other Amax shareholders ( until the merger is effected, at which point every dollar gain becomes a full dollar gain to you ) .

I honestly sense that it will not be long before another major producer comes after Kinross with a merger offer...so get ready to look over a lot of prospectuses over the next year.

The Au consolidation wheel is about to gather steam...the senior mining executives are finally putting 2 and 2 together and realizing consolidation is the only chance for survival.

I recall an old friend many years ago who also went by the nickname of "Heavy". He told a story once of his second tour in Vietnam, when he was flying a close air support mission. He recalled that he'd been fired upon by ground forces and returned fire, but fixated on his target. He would normally have broken off contact sooner but in losing his perspective he nearly hit the ground. He said that when he came home he had propeller damage and ground debris stuck in his cowling.

So what is going on? Are you picking the tree limbs out of your teeth? One should only invest as much in PM's as they can easily live without. Scared money is stupid money. IMHO

http://www.acsys.com/~hong/retrieval.html

folks, looks like the investment banks are nibbling on Rhodium again

Prometheus; I don't know if this is what you are looking for but you might try the following posts; all on 12/23/97
a. Jung at 12.36
b. D.J. at 17.01
c. Golden Prophet at 16.47

I think that Jung's post is the one you need.
There may be other ways to access archives but I don't know them.

Prometheus; I don't know if this is what you are looking for but you might try the following posts; all on 12/23/97
a. Jung at 12.36
b. D.J. at 17.01
c. Golden Prophet at 16.47

I think that Jung's post is the one you need.
There may be other ways to access archives but I don't know them.

Be sure to read the fine print if and when you put your funds in the hands of Treasury and the Federal Reserve. Just cause you can deposit it whenever you want does not mean you can withdraw it whenever you want. You may remember the gas rationing when even and odd numbered license plates had their designated days for buying gas. If there is a liquidity crisis and liquidity rationing, when you re-invest will not be a decision you will make. Fed Reserve has control of ALL credit allocation in these United States. That's another reason why I want a physical dividend. They won't bother to write a regulation on it and I'm not sure they even could since it is not credit.

War 'may' drive the DOW and Nasdaq down, but knowing the spin doctor's great agility the opposite may occur.
Those hoping to make a quick profit in oil or gold may be disappointed, they should be ready to sell on the turn of a dime.
Same goes for those who wish to cash in on the Bubba scandal. The US voter just luv the guy.
Gold is a class act that has it all over those bastards who wish to control it; and in so doing those who toil for a living.
Will the real Bernatz return, we need a few good laughs. Rock slide my ass, the guy is eternal.

To the consternation of Ian McTavity
The Dow continues to defy gravity
Meanwhile the price of gold does languish
Offering no relief to the Gold Bugs anguish
Clinton and Blair with their loyal party flacks
Keep "educating" the people of the need to smash Iraq
The Asian countries have survived financial ruin
Thanks to the efforts of Camadessus, Greenspan & Rubin
All is well with the world in an Orwellian way
Just relax and don't fret it will all be O.K.

War 'may' drive the DOW and Nasdaq down, but knowing the spin doctor's great agility the opposite may occur.
Those hoping to make a quick profit in oil or gold may be disappointed, they should be ready to sell on the turn of a dime.
Same goes for those who wish to cash in on the Bubba scandal. The US voter just luv the guy.
Gold is a class act that has it all over those bastards who wish to control it; and in so doing those who toil for a living.
Will the real Bernatz return, we need a few good laughs. Rock slide my ass, the guy is eternal.

They don't call me Heavy for nothing.
I think you mean't to say the fruit got
stuck between my teeth. When were
done with the harvest I'll let you know.

I dont really understand the reason for the alarm and pessimism over golds performance. As someone has already said, given the Dow spike to new highs, gold bullion stayed relatively calm. The XAU is another matter and may reflect the new euphoria that the Dow will crash through 8500 ( which it seems ready to do ) and maybe a moonshot all the way to 9000! But I really dont think the illusionists will prevail. Investors still must face corporate earnings reports, the colossal bank debt problems in Asia, potential inflation, and an over-bought market. The dollar is not doing well and the Euro-dollar is coming to challenge its monetary dominance. I still think, though gold may retest lows, it will move up. Heavy-hitter, dont plan anything self-destructive

IRAQ HAS STOCKPILE OF AGENT 15 NERVE GAS
February 10,
1998

The London Times reported today that the British Defense Ministry has revealed that
Saddam Hussein has stored huge stockpiles of Agent 15 nerve gas which causes
weakness, dizziness, disorientation, hallucinations, and loss of coordination. The gas can
be introduced into water or used in missile warheads. The Times said that the disclosure
was sure to be followed by others as the U.S. and Britain look to build support for military
action against Iraq.

In related news, the UN Secretary-General, Kofi Annan, said yesterday that both sides in
the dispute should drop "fundamentalist or purist positions" and "come up with a workable
proposal that all would accept and can live with." Asked by Reuters if he meant that both
Baghdad and Washington should "cool it," he said, "You can put it that way."

Meanwhile, former Desert Storm commander General Noram Schwarzkopf told NBC that the
U.S. runs the risk of another Vietnam if it bombs Iraq. He said, "We run the risk of doing the
same thing we did to North Vietnam" referring to escalated U.S. bombing without achieving
military or political goals.

ARAFAT'S PALESTINIAN PARTY STAGES PRO-IRAQ
RALLIES IN ISRAEL
February 9,
1998

Yassar Arafat's Fatah movement of the PLO organized rallies today in the West Bank of
Israel where thousands of Palestinians marched in support of Iraq. They burned U.S. flags
and carried a model of an Iraqi Scud missile. Israel has warned the Palestinians that open
support of Saddam Hussein could damage the peace process and suggested that there
could be Israeli sanctions. Arafat and the PLO supported Hussein during the Gulf War and
many Palestinians cheered when Scud missiles hit Israel.

The Jerusalem Post reported today that former U.S. Defense Secretary James Baker has
acknowledged Israel's right to retaliate should it come under fire from Iraq again. He said, "If
Israel is on the receiving end of an attack...it would be my expectation that she would
probably retaliate. It would be my expectation--but it's only a guess--that the American
government would not stand in the way of retaliation. Things are different this time."

Yesterday, Iran's Defence Minister Admiral Shamkhani said that military movements in the
Persian Gulf indicate that a U.S. attack on Iraq was imminent. He said, that the U.S.
"...wants to hit Iraq dispite international opposition and in absence of a decision by the UN
Security Council."

ISRAELIS THREATENS IRAQ WITH NUCLEAR RESPONSE
IF CHEMICAL OR BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS ARE
LAUNCHED AGAINST ISRAEL
January 29,
1998

In response to CIA warnings that Iraq will likely fire Scud missiles armed with
non-conventional warheads at Israel if it is attacked by the U.S., Israel issued a tough
warning that Saddam Hussein could expect a nuclear response to any chemical or
biological attack. The communications director under the Israeli prime minister, David
Bar-Illan, said, "Surely Iraq must know that it will not pay to attack Israel, and that Israel has
all the means necessary to make such an attack very, very dangerous for Iraq-much more
dangerous for Iraq than it is for Israel."

Military analysts speculate that such an Israeli counter attack on Iraq would be the dropping
of an Israeli neutron bomb on Baghdad. A neutron bomb kills everything within a limited
range, with limited property damage.

Silver moved up today, in spite of many analysts expectations ( and some holders expectations ) , that it would conitnue in "correction" mode for a few days. Another drawdown in COMEX inventory....it all seems pretty bullish to me that it's maintaining strength above $7.00, $8.00 to $10.00 silver in 98, here we come....

What kind of company do you keep?
Gold will only shine for a short time.
Unless the rise is slow and steady.
Chances are it will just explode, pull
back and head higher. But not forever.
Paper will always win in the end. There
is a time to hold em and fold em.

What's the problem gold is doing good looks more solid every day,if it's to mellow for you there is plenty of volatile markets to get into,silver energy's are looking ripe,if your really itching for some action get some S P's or coffee or etc.gold holds it's own for a couple days and your bored ,I can understand that,it's kinda like somebody's whining going on around here,hope you do the right thing.

I wonder if RJ's around? My question is, why does a Japanese auto manufacturer's statement that they intend to return to Platinum use in their catalytic converters, cause Platinum to plunge in price? What did I miss here? Or are the rumors true that someone dumped a bunch of contracts?

Hong Kong Business StandardLast Updated: 01:22:39 Wed 11 Feb 1998
Rupiah surges on peg plan

Reports that Jakarta is seriously considering pegging the rupiah at a fixed rate TO ANOTHER CURRENCY ( please note, it does NOT say $ or 'basket' but 'ANOTHER CURRENCY'--words have MEANING ) sent the Indonesian currency surging by more than 30 per cent on Tuesday. The stunning rise was accompanied by a MASSIVE SELL-OFF in US dollars around the region with Asian currencies posting robust gains against the greenback. The rupiah strengthened to as high as 7,400 a US dollar, its strongest level in more than three weeks. It closed in Jakarta at 7,500/7,800 per US dollar after opening at 9,400/9,700. It ended in New York on Monday overnight at 9,700/9,900."
http://www.hkstandard.com/online/finance/001/hksfin.htm

Date: Sun Feb 08 1998 09:51 ANOTHER ( THOUGHTS! ) ID#60253:

"No currency is large enough for this race, so a new one will arrive from the past"

Gold Daric of the Persians, Enemies of The Greeks, Circa 450-330 BC.
http://www.edgarlowen.com/coins.html or maybe
A Choice Gold Stater Of The Kushan King Shaka, Circa AD 300-330 {:- )

There is no free lunch:25%-30% annual returns forever; check is in the mail;it's a sure thing; it can't miss; I'll respect you in the morning; I won't c__ in your m_____; guaranteed to be a winner. If it seems to good to be true it is no doubt a lie. In the end there is no reward with -out effort. The stock market could rise further and increase your balance sheet but how can you know when to jump ship, especially if your in mutual funds. The downdraft from the next move down will be deafening. Yous pays your monies and takes your chances. I'll pass this roll of the dice. Smile, that monthly statement can say $500,000. or $600,000. When the wooosh comes,in that time, what's left will be the same-not much. Ever lost all you worked for all your life in one day? No- I see it happens about every 60 to 70 years. I remember talking to my grandparents about it-don't plan to follow that path. Smile-time is short. Where is Ziva when you need a good joke? Tom

They take Amax Gold out of its debt problems, pick up two good properties and Refugio which may gel and get a big daddy with both money raising ability and mining expertise. In other words Cypress Amax ( C-A ) , can now leave gold to its offspring -with some supervision- while it concentrates on its own empire. C-A also decreases the share float, but I don't like the total number of shares that the new Kinross has. The new mining costs look good, that is if they hold. Maybe C-A's expertise can help the Macassa Division, or sell it to one of the locals who have a stake in the area.

Just checking to see if you were awake! I've have putting my PM money into platinum mining stocks recently ( and still have that last little bit in the money market fund ) so am above the treeline. For today... ;^ )

WARNING: this may be a long post for some of you,
in which case feel free to jump to the next post. THANK YOU.

ALL:
I was amazed at the overwhelming response to my posts
and how many times my name was mentioned today.
This is a GOLD site and NOT Ziva-club.
I therefor agree with BART regarding limiting myself.
He did not tell me how to,
I decided to limit myself to a one post a day ( until further notice ) ,
as I already achieved my goal of drawing your attention to WW3.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

REPLIES:

Date: Sun Feb 08 1998 20:14
WetGold ( WHY are U folks jumping ZIVA's bones ? ) ID#187218:
ZIVA has had some pretty good posts IMHO.


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 19:28
Argent ( Maligning Ziva - why? ) ID#255217:
I am a fairly recent newcomer to this site, so forgive my ignorance when I
ask: Why are so many of you down on Ziva? From what I have seen of her
comments, I find myself in agreement much of the time. I may be a
newcomer to this site, but I didn't just fall out of a tree. Go to it Ziva!
********************

WETGOLD & ARGENT:

The Internet is fun, But it is also a war.
It is a war between the most brilliant minds .
Unfortunately, the Trilateral employs
the best minds our society has to offer today.
Their agents are infesting
most influential discussion groups on the Internet.
In the past,
they resorted to PHYSICALLY destroying websites by remote programs,
similar to what happened to Kitco last year.
Now, the Trilateral are concentrating in
participating in discussion groups,
in order to disrupt or misinform or create falls impressions.
One of the most common ways to identify agents
is when they request you to send them your E-mail,
as it happen few times on this website.
You may have noticed that whoever complained about me,
did not argue with my data,
as my data proved to be correct most of the time,
but usually will attack me personally.
It is enough that just two or three agents
will complain about an individual to create the impression
that the majority in that group are against this person.

For your information, I NEED these kind of agents,
as they help me bring attention to my posts.
So please do not criticize them too much,
I dont want to loose them.

Most Kitcoits are high caliber people
and you dont have to hit them on the head too many times
before they get the message.
This is the reason why I do not have my Kitcoits in mind at all,
when I post.
My posts are directed at the thousands
or possibly millions ( how many, BART ? )
of people who read Kitco and never post.
Also, as my vocabulary is not sophisticated,
I am often delighted to find out that the response
to my posts is often much better than my original post
( read Spud Master 10:35 this morning ) .

I do not assert that everyone who comments negatively about me is a Trilateral agent, some are just fools or drunk, but it is part of the game. Some are just too upset as my new approaches demolished their outdated paradigms.
http://www.kitcomm.com/comments/gold/1998q1/1998_02/980209.180435.zivaeeeee.htm

I dont indulge myself in endlessly regurgitating old information,
I do my best to provide FRESH, new approaches to analysis of GOLD performance, and world events which will effect GOLD performance. You could see that I am unconventional by some Kitcoits standards, as they are mostly not familiar with modern Technology in the
field of the Paranormal. I was attacked brutally, but it does not bother me at all.

The more Hell I raise in this forum, the more I know that I hit home.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY to the public who reads us in this forum to debate both sides of the coin, especially if it is a GOLD coin. We can not allow a few GOLD traders to control and decide who will post here, especially since most of these traders have performed so dismally in the past, based on their posts. You may have noticed that most people who
follow the advice of GOLD experts on this forum in the past, have consistently lost money all the way from 400 down to 280.

I am working now on a new software program which I intend to sell to BART KITNER. This advance state of the art program, will automatically eliminate all the posts by drunks who are occasionally infesting this website past midnight. My program will incorporate a new technique developed by the Zimbabwe Police for detecting alcohol levels in Email.

========================================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:16
Aysha ( Ziva... Queen of Kitco...Keep the truth flowing ) ID#250165:
I have been following the forum .........
http://WWW.MiddleEast.org ..........
Aysha - Queen of Asia
****************

Dear Aysha Queen of Asia,
Thank you for your post.
I would like to inform you that BART requested me
to renounce my Title QUEEN of KITCO.
You may approach me simply as ZIVA in the future.

As to your post:
It is very obvious that you are not an American and not Jewish.
It is better therefore that you will not participate in this war-conversation, and let me do the
dirty job. Most of us here are proud Americans & Jewish,
despise Saddam and love Israel.
SO, we can afford to criticize Clinton and Israel and try to be fare towards the Arabs at the same time.
I love you, but you simply do not have any chance to convince anyone here, we will always point a finger at you as the *enemy*.
I hope you will participate in the future in this forum. Try to provide new ideas instead of just supporting me, I do not need any help. If you have an interesting websites that represent the Arab points of views will be very happy if you will post them. We the Jews suffered more than anyone else in history, it is very sad we did not learn anything from history. I wish you the best.
Ziva


============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:24
AYORK ( ZIVA'S TRUTHS ) ID#20167:
Your 17:15 post is very interesting
and you sure stirred up a hornets nest
afterwards.
Since you have an excellent ability
to prognosticate, what is your
prognosis for the price of gold
and silver for 1998?
************

AYORK:
Look around you, the whole world is collapsing and the Trilateral are forcing us into WW3 to take our minds off the economy. Just as I told you last year, when I was not allowed to mention WW3 in this forum.

The Trilateral audacity to start WW3,
with the excuse that Saddam refuse to let us inspect his bedroom !!!
The Trilateral know what they are doing, they tested us at Waco.
We did not say anything at Waco, we will not say anything now.
( in compliance with Kitcos guidelines, all you international Kitcoits,
who are not familiar with Waco, go to this website:
http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ )

Whatever is coming will be much worse than Waco.
This time we will pay the price for being silent during Waco.
I will be very surprised if PHYSICAL GOLD will be below 1000 by the end of 1998.

BUT !!! I also said that sometime during 1999
gold will have no value
as there will be no one around to trade it,
just as there is no one in Waco today.
I expect a fully spread war in October, this year.
There will be no winners in this war.


Let me stress what I said last year:
My sources indicate that when Gold starts moving
it will move up so fast that no one will have a chance to get in.
What will cause this sharp upheaval I dont know.
It could be WW3, collapse of the economy, The Central Banks, Devaluation, New currency, oil-exchange, etc.

I am not a prophet.
I am just an old lady in the bush who uses common-sense.
You have to make up your own mind.
All my information comes from the Internet
I just use my intuition when I process it,
take it or leave it, I can not prove anything.

Re: Silver, I never had any interest in silver and this is the first time that silver is ever mentioned in my post. I see it as just another commodity, respectfully.

GOLD is in a class by itself, nothing else comes even close.

================================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:10
tricky ( What is Ziva referring to when he says... ) ID#304282:
remote viewing?
*******************

TRICKY:
Remote Viewing is the natural ability that all of us have
to go into a Trance State and to be able to see anyone or anything instantly around the world or on the moon, in the future or in the past. Time, does not exist, it is an illusion. It is an illusion that we invented to disguise our incompetence on this subject.
There are schools that will teach you to do Remote Viewing in the USA and Europe. The CIA already admitted using it since the seventies. All Intelligence organizations around the world today are now
using Remote Viewing actively for spying as well as the Vatican.
American scientists ( Dr. Hal Puthoff of Stanford Research Institute, in Menlo Park, Ca ) already admitted predicting successfully the commodities markets in the seventies. All the information of his research was handed to the Pentagon/NSA/Trilateral as they have paid for it.
I will be surprised if they did not use it for the last 25 years, while our kitcoits are still analyzing Elliot Waves, and loosing money.

DO YOU HOMEWORK TRICKY, USE THE INTERNET !

As you seem to be a newcomer, I will give you just three URLs from my library of hundreds of URLs, just on the subject of Remote Viewing:

http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Welcome.html
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/RealStoryMain.html
http://www.ameritel.net/lusers/rviewer/

You will find there dozens of additional links.

========================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:56
TYoung ( Ziva ) ID#317193:
All true prophets were persecuted by government ................
A post of any kind, from you, evidencing humor, in any form,
would be most appreciated. Life is without purpose without JOY and
LOVE. Please be so kind as to help give my life purpose with some, if not
all, of your future posts. Smile-laugh-ENJOY life. Thank you for thoughts.
Tom
**************

TOM:
You must be new around here
I provided many jokes here in the past,
mostly Jewish jokes,
as well as famous statements by pillars of society
and philosophers quotes.

IF I sounded mad recently it is because
I realized that we are plunging fast into WW3
and I wanted to raise Hell fast
before we are all dead.
I was joking about my husbands secretary,
but, he did have one, 22 years ago before he retired.

======================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:20
JIN ( ZIVA! You know better than me..right?! ) ID#206358:
Ziva,
Thanks for the site which you introduced to me recently, Red alert news....
Actually, I found that most of the news/infos you and some friends about
ASIA are faster and more accurate than me......
***********

JIN:
I introduced our Kitcoits to this source of information last month,
as most other major news agencies seem to be under the control of the Intelligence community.
http://www.stratfor.com/mail/
ALL the feedback from Kitcoits regarding this RED ALERT were positive.

==================================

BART KITNER:
Let me remind you some of your guidelines:

Conduct Guidelines for the Kitco Discussion Groups
THINGS TO AVOID:
Dont use profanities or foul language.
Dont make any insulting remarks or statements
that provoke other participants.
Dont post any unrelated comments that are likely to
arouse a strong emotional response.

BART, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE FOLLOWING THREE POSTS
COMPLY WITH YOUR GUIDELINES ?
============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:48
oris ( Algae\Why Saddam is not talking directly? ) ID#238422:
He does not need to do it, he got "Zivas"...
===============

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:40
oris ( John Disney ) ID#238422:
My brother John......
Ziva changed from Ziva to Aysha, but still is working
for Iraqies. What a mess! I think I was initially right
about Ziva...Death to spies and provocators!!!

====================

Date: Tue Feb 10 1998 00:29
oris ( Ziva, I never called you Queen, but I called you PIZDA. )
ID#238422:
If you want to know what PIZDA means, and you really don't,
I'll translate for you...

===================
*

WARNING: this may be a long post for some of you,
in which case feel free to jump to the next post. THANK YOU.

ALL:
I was amazed at the overwhelming response to my posts
and how many times my name was mentioned today.
This is a GOLD site and NOT Ziva-club.
I therefor agree with BART regarding limiting myself.
He did not tell me how to,
I decided to limit myself to a one post a day ( until further notice ) ,
as I already achieved my goal of drawing your attention to WW3.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

REPLIES:

Date: Sun Feb 08 1998 20:14
WetGold ( WHY are U folks jumping ZIVA's bones ? ) ID#187218:
ZIVA has had some pretty good posts IMHO.


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 19:28
Argent ( Maligning Ziva - why? ) ID#255217:
I am a fairly recent newcomer to this site, so forgive my ignorance when I
ask: Why are so many of you down on Ziva? From what I have seen of her
comments, I find myself in agreement much of the time. I may be a
newcomer to this site, but I didn't just fall out of a tree. Go to it Ziva!
********************

WETGOLD & ARGENT:

The Internet is fun, But it is also a war.
It is a war between the most brilliant minds .
Unfortunately, the Trilateral employs
the best minds our society has to offer today.
Their agents are infesting
most influential discussion groups on the Internet.
In the past,
they resorted to PHYSICALLY destroying websites by remote programs,
similar to what happened to Kitco last year.
Now, the Trilateral are concentrating in
participating in discussion groups,
in order to disrupt or misinform or create falls impressions.
One of the most common ways to identify agents
is when they request you to send them your E-mail,
as it happen few times on this website.
You may have noticed that whoever complained about me,
did not argue with my data,
as my data proved to be correct most of the time,
but usually will attack me personally.
It is enough that just two or three agents
will complain about an individual to create the impression
that the majority in that group are against this person.

For your information, I NEED these kind of agents,
as they help me bring attention to my posts.
So please do not criticize them too much,
I dont want to loose them.

Most Kitcoits are high caliber people
and you dont have to hit them on the head too many times
before they get the message.
This is the reason why I do not have my Kitcoits in mind at all,
when I post.
My posts are directed at the thousands
or possibly millions ( how many, BART ? )
of people who read Kitco and never post.
Also, as my vocabulary is not sophisticated,
I am often delighted to find out that the response
to my posts is often much better than my original post
( read Spud Master 10:35 this morning ) .

I do not assert that everyone who comments negatively about me is a Trilateral agent, some are just fools or drunk, but it is part of the game. Some are just too upset as my new approaches demolished their outdated paradigms.
http://www.kitcomm.com/comments/gold/1998q1/1998_02/980209.180435.zivaeeeee.htm

I dont indulge myself in endlessly regurgitating old information,
I do my best to provide FRESH, new approaches to analysis of GOLD performance, and world events which will effect GOLD performance. You could see that I am unconventional by some Kitcoits standards, as they are mostly not familiar with modern Technology in the
field of the Paranormal. I was attacked brutally, but it does not bother me at all.

The more Hell I raise in this forum, the more I know that I hit home.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY to the public who reads us in this forum to debate both sides of the coin, especially if it is a GOLD coin. We can not allow a few GOLD traders to control and decide who will post here, especially since most of these traders have performed so dismally in the past, based on their posts. You may have noticed that most people who
follow the advice of GOLD experts on this forum in the past, have consistently lost money all the way from 400 down to 280.

I am working now on a new software program which I intend to sell to BART KITNER. This advance state of the art program, will automatically eliminate all the posts by drunks who are occasionally infesting this website past midnight. My program will incorporate a new technique developed by the Zimbabwe Police for detecting alcohol levels in Email.

========================================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:16
Aysha ( Ziva... Queen of Kitco...Keep the truth flowing ) ID#250165:
I have been following the forum .........
http://WWW.MiddleEast.org ..........
Aysha - Queen of Asia
****************

Dear Aysha Queen of Asia,
Thank you for your post.
I would like to inform you that BART requested me
to renounce my Title QUEEN of KITCO.
You may approach me simply as ZIVA in the future.

As to your post:
It is very obvious that you are not an American and not Jewish.
It is better therefore that you will not participate in this war-conversation, and let me do the
dirty job. Most of us here are proud Americans & Jewish,
despise Saddam and love Israel.
SO, we can afford to criticize Clinton and Israel and try to be fare towards the Arabs at the same time.
I love you, but you simply do not have any chance to convince anyone here, we will always point a finger at you as the *enemy*.
I hope you will participate in the future in this forum. Try to provide new ideas instead of just supporting me, I do not need any help. If you have an interesting websites that represent the Arab points of views will be very happy if you will post them. We the Jews suffered more than anyone else in history, it is very sad we did not learn anything from history. I wish you the best.
Ziva


============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:24
AYORK ( ZIVA'S TRUTHS ) ID#20167:
Your 17:15 post is very interesting
and you sure stirred up a hornets nest
afterwards.
Since you have an excellent ability
to prognosticate, what is your
prognosis for the price of gold
and silver for 1998?
************

AYORK:
Look around you, the whole world is collapsing and the Trilateral are forcing us into WW3 to take our minds off the economy. Just as I told you last year, when I was not allowed to mention WW3 in this forum.

The Trilateral audacity to start WW3,
with the excuse that Saddam refuse to let us inspect his bedroom !!!
The Trilateral know what they are doing, they tested us at Waco.
We did not say anything at Waco, we will not say anything now.
( in compliance with Kitcos guidelines, all you international Kitcoits,
who are not familiar with Waco, go to this website:
http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ )

Whatever is coming will be much worse than Waco.
This time we will pay the price for being silent during Waco.
I will be very surprised if PHYSICAL GOLD will be below 1000 by the end of 1998.

BUT !!! I also said that sometime during 1999
gold will have no value
as there will be no one around to trade it,
just as there is no one in Waco today.
I expect a fully spread war in October, this year.
There will be no winners in this war.


Let me stress what I said last year:
My sources indicate that when Gold starts moving
it will move up so fast that no one will have a chance to get in.
What will cause this sharp upheaval I dont know.
It could be WW3, collapse of the economy, The Central Banks, Devaluation, New currency, oil-exchange, etc.

I am not a prophet.
I am just an old lady in the bush who uses common-sense.
You have to make up your own mind.
All my information comes from the Internet
I just use my intuition when I process it,
take it or leave it, I can not prove anything.

Re: Silver, I never had any interest in silver and this is the first time that silver is ever mentioned in my post. I see it as just another commodity, respectfully.

GOLD is in a class by itself, nothing else comes even close.

================================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:10
tricky ( What is Ziva referring to when he says... ) ID#304282:
remote viewing?
*******************

TRICKY:
Remote Viewing is the natural ability that all of us have
to go into a Trance State and to be able to see anyone or anything instantly around the world or on the moon, in the future or in the past. Time, does not exist, it is an illusion. It is an illusion that we invented to disguise our incompetence on this subject.
There are schools that will teach you to do Remote Viewing in the USA and Europe. The CIA already admitted using it since the seventies. All Intelligence organizations around the world today are now
using Remote Viewing actively for spying as well as the Vatican.
American scientists ( Dr. Hal Puthoff of Stanford Research Institute, in Menlo Park, Ca ) already admitted predicting successfully the commodities markets in the seventies. All the information of his research was handed to the Pentagon/NSA/Trilateral as they have paid for it.
I will be surprised if they did not use it for the last 25 years, while our kitcoits are still analyzing Elliot Waves, and loosing money.

DO YOU HOMEWORK TRICKY, USE THE INTERNET !

As you seem to be a newcomer, I will give you just three URLs from my library of hundreds of URLs, just on the subject of Remote Viewing:

http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Welcome.html
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/RealStoryMain.html
http://www.ameritel.net/lusers/rviewer/

You will find there dozens of additional links.

========================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:56
TYoung ( Ziva ) ID#317193:
All true prophets were persecuted by government ................
A post of any kind, from you, evidencing humor, in any form,
would be most appreciated. Life is without purpose without JOY and
LOVE. Please be so kind as to help give my life purpose with some, if not
all, of your future posts. Smile-laugh-ENJOY life. Thank you for thoughts.
Tom
**************

TOM:
You must be new around here
I provided many jokes here in the past,
mostly Jewish jokes,
as well as famous statements by pillars of society
and philosophers quotes.

IF I sounded mad recently it is because
I realized that we are plunging fast into WW3
and I wanted to raise Hell fast
before we are all dead.
I was joking about my husbands secretary,
but, he did have one, 22 years ago before he retired.

======================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:20
JIN ( ZIVA! You know better than me..right?! ) ID#206358:
Ziva,
Thanks for the site which you introduced to me recently, Red alert news....
Actually, I found that most of the news/infos you and some friends about
ASIA are faster and more accurate than me......
***********

JIN:
I introduced our Kitcoits to this source of information last month,
as most other major news agencies seem to be under the control of the Intelligence community.
http://www.stratfor.com/mail/
ALL the feedback from Kitcoits regarding this RED ALERT were positive.

==================================

BART KITNER:
Let me remind you some of your guidelines:

Conduct Guidelines for the Kitco Discussion Groups
THINGS TO AVOID:
Dont use profanities or foul language.
Dont make any insulting remarks or statements
that provoke other participants.
Dont post any unrelated comments that are likely to
arouse a strong emotional response.

BART, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE FOLLOWING THREE POSTS
COMPLY WITH YOUR GUIDELINES ?
============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:48
oris ( Algae\Why Saddam is not talking directly? ) ID#238422:
He does not need to do it, he got "Zivas"...
===============

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:40
oris ( John Disney ) ID#238422:
My brother John......
Ziva changed from Ziva to Aysha, but still is working
for Iraqies. What a mess! I think I was initially right
about Ziva...Death to spies and provocators!!!

====================

Date: Tue Feb 10 1998 00:29
oris ( Ziva, I never called you Queen, but I called you PIZDA. )
ID#238422:
If you want to know what PIZDA means, and you really don't,
I'll translate for you...

===================
*

WARNING: this may be a long post for some of you,
in which case feel free to jump to the next post. THANK YOU.

ALL:
I was amazed at the overwhelming response to my posts
and how many times my name was mentioned today.
This is a GOLD site and NOT Ziva-club.
I therefor agree with BART regarding limiting myself.
He did not tell me how to,
I decided to limit myself to a one post a day ( until further notice ) ,
as I already achieved my goal of drawing your attention to WW3.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

REPLIES:

Date: Sun Feb 08 1998 20:14
WetGold ( WHY are U folks jumping ZIVA's bones ? ) ID#187218:
ZIVA has had some pretty good posts IMHO.


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 19:28
Argent ( Maligning Ziva - why? ) ID#255217:
I am a fairly recent newcomer to this site, so forgive my ignorance when I
ask: Why are so many of you down on Ziva? From what I have seen of her
comments, I find myself in agreement much of the time. I may be a
newcomer to this site, but I didn't just fall out of a tree. Go to it Ziva!
********************

WETGOLD & ARGENT:

The Internet is fun, But it is also a war.
It is a war between the most brilliant minds .
Unfortunately, the Trilateral employs
the best minds our society has to offer today.
Their agents are infesting
most influential discussion groups on the Internet.
In the past,
they resorted to PHYSICALLY destroying websites by remote programs,
similar to what happened to Kitco last year.
Now, the Trilateral are concentrating in
participating in discussion groups,
in order to disrupt or misinform or create falls impressions.
One of the most common ways to identify agents
is when they request you to send them your E-mail,
as it happen few times on this website.
You may have noticed that whoever complained about me,
did not argue with my data,
as my data proved to be correct most of the time,
but usually will attack me personally.
It is enough that just two or three agents
will complain about an individual to create the impression
that the majority in that group are against this person.

For your information, I NEED these kind of agents,
as they help me bring attention to my posts.
So please do not criticize them too much,
I dont want to loose them.

Most Kitcoits are high caliber people
and you dont have to hit them on the head too many times
before they get the message.
This is the reason why I do not have my Kitcoits in mind at all,
when I post.
My posts are directed at the thousands
or possibly millions ( how many, BART ? )
of people who read Kitco and never post.
Also, as my vocabulary is not sophisticated,
I am often delighted to find out that the response
to my posts is often much better than my original post
( read Spud Master 10:35 this morning ) .

I do not assert that everyone who comments negatively about me is a Trilateral agent, some are just fools or drunk, but it is part of the game. Some are just too upset as my new approaches demolished their outdated paradigms.
http://www.kitcomm.com/comments/gold/1998q1/1998_02/980209.180435.zivaeeeee.htm

I dont indulge myself in endlessly regurgitating old information,
I do my best to provide FRESH, new approaches to analysis of GOLD performance, and world events which will effect GOLD performance. You could see that I am unconventional by some Kitcoits standards, as they are mostly not familiar with modern Technology in the
field of the Paranormal. I was attacked brutally, but it does not bother me at all.

The more Hell I raise in this forum, the more I know that I hit home.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY to the public who reads us in this forum to debate both sides of the coin, especially if it is a GOLD coin. We can not allow a few GOLD traders to control and decide who will post here, especially since most of these traders have performed so dismally in the past, based on their posts. You may have noticed that most people who
follow the advice of GOLD experts on this forum in the past, have consistently lost money all the way from 400 down to 280.

I am working now on a new software program which I intend to sell to BART KITNER. This advance state of the art program, will automatically eliminate all the posts by drunks who are occasionally infesting this website past midnight. My program will incorporate a new technique developed by the Zimbabwe Police for detecting alcohol levels in Email.

========================================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:16
Aysha ( Ziva... Queen of Kitco...Keep the truth flowing ) ID#250165:
I have been following the forum .........
http://WWW.MiddleEast.org ..........
Aysha - Queen of Asia
****************

Dear Aysha Queen of Asia,
Thank you for your post.
I would like to inform you that BART requested me
to renounce my Title QUEEN of KITCO.
You may approach me simply as ZIVA in the future.

As to your post:
It is very obvious that you are not an American and not Jewish.
It is better therefore that you will not participate in this war-conversation, and let me do the
dirty job. Most of us here are proud Americans & Jewish,
despise Saddam and love Israel.
SO, we can afford to criticize Clinton and Israel and try to be fare towards the Arabs at the same time.
I love you, but you simply do not have any chance to convince anyone here, we will always point a finger at you as the *enemy*.
I hope you will participate in the future in this forum. Try to provide new ideas instead of just supporting me, I do not need any help. If you have an interesting websites that represent the Arab points of views will be very happy if you will post them. We the Jews suffered more than anyone else in history, it is very sad we did not learn anything from history. I wish you the best.
Ziva


============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:24
AYORK ( ZIVA'S TRUTHS ) ID#20167:
Your 17:15 post is very interesting
and you sure stirred up a hornets nest
afterwards.
Since you have an excellent ability
to prognosticate, what is your
prognosis for the price of gold
and silver for 1998?
************

AYORK:
Look around you, the whole world is collapsing and the Trilateral are forcing us into WW3 to take our minds off the economy. Just as I told you last year, when I was not allowed to mention WW3 in this forum.

The Trilateral audacity to start WW3,
with the excuse that Saddam refuse to let us inspect his bedroom !!!
The Trilateral know what they are doing, they tested us at Waco.
We did not say anything at Waco, we will not say anything now.
( in compliance with Kitcos guidelines, all you international Kitcoits,
who are not familiar with Waco, go to this website:
http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ )

Whatever is coming will be much worse than Waco.
This time we will pay the price for being silent during Waco.
I will be very surprised if PHYSICAL GOLD will be below 1000 by the end of 1998.

BUT !!! I also said that sometime during 1999
gold will have no value
as there will be no one around to trade it,
just as there is no one in Waco today.
I expect a fully spread war in October, this year.
There will be no winners in this war.


Let me stress what I said last year:
My sources indicate that when Gold starts moving
it will move up so fast that no one will have a chance to get in.
What will cause this sharp upheaval I dont know.
It could be WW3, collapse of the economy, The Central Banks, Devaluation, New currency, oil-exchange, etc.

I am not a prophet.
I am just an old lady in the bush who uses common-sense.
You have to make up your own mind.
All my information comes from the Internet
I just use my intuition when I process it,
take it or leave it, I can not prove anything.

Re: Silver, I never had any interest in silver and this is the first time that silver is ever mentioned in my post. I see it as just another commodity, respectfully.

GOLD is in a class by itself, nothing else comes even close.

================================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:10
tricky ( What is Ziva referring to when he says... ) ID#304282:
remote viewing?
*******************

TRICKY:
Remote Viewing is the natural ability that all of us have
to go into a Trance State and to be able to see anyone or anything instantly around the world or on the moon, in the future or in the past. Time, does not exist, it is an illusion. It is an illusion that we invented to disguise our incompetence on this subject.
There are schools that will teach you to do Remote Viewing in the USA and Europe. The CIA already admitted using it since the seventies. All Intelligence organizations around the world today are now
using Remote Viewing actively for spying as well as the Vatican.
American scientists ( Dr. Hal Puthoff of Stanford Research Institute, in Menlo Park, Ca ) already admitted predicting successfully the commodities markets in the seventies. All the information of his research was handed to the Pentagon/NSA/Trilateral as they have paid for it.
I will be surprised if they did not use it for the last 25 years, while our kitcoits are still analyzing Elliot Waves, and loosing money.

DO YOU HOMEWORK TRICKY, USE THE INTERNET !

As you seem to be a newcomer, I will give you just three URLs from my library of hundreds of URLs, just on the subject of Remote Viewing:

http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Welcome.html
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/RealStoryMain.html
http://www.ameritel.net/lusers/rviewer/

You will find there dozens of additional links.

========================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:56
TYoung ( Ziva ) ID#317193:
All true prophets were persecuted by government ................
A post of any kind, from you, evidencing humor, in any form,
would be most appreciated. Life is without purpose without JOY and
LOVE. Please be so kind as to help give my life purpose with some, if not
all, of your future posts. Smile-laugh-ENJOY life. Thank you for thoughts.
Tom
**************

TOM:
You must be new around here
I provided many jokes here in the past,
mostly Jewish jokes,
as well as famous statements by pillars of society
and philosophers quotes.

IF I sounded mad recently it is because
I realized that we are plunging fast into WW3
and I wanted to raise Hell fast
before we are all dead.
I was joking about my husbands secretary,
but, he did have one, 22 years ago before he retired.

======================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:20
JIN ( ZIVA! You know better than me..right?! ) ID#206358:
Ziva,
Thanks for the site which you introduced to me recently, Red alert news....
Actually, I found that most of the news/infos you and some friends about
ASIA are faster and more accurate than me......
***********

JIN:
I introduced our Kitcoits to this source of information last month,
as most other major news agencies seem to be under the control of the Intelligence community.
http://www.stratfor.com/mail/
ALL the feedback from Kitcoits regarding this RED ALERT were positive.

==================================

BART KITNER:
Let me remind you some of your guidelines:

Conduct Guidelines for the Kitco Discussion Groups
THINGS TO AVOID:
Dont use profanities or foul language.
Dont make any insulting remarks or statements
that provoke other participants.
Dont post any unrelated comments that are likely to
arouse a strong emotional response.

BART, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE FOLLOWING THREE POSTS
COMPLY WITH YOUR GUIDELINES ?
============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:48
oris ( Algae\Why Saddam is not talking directly? ) ID#238422:
He does not need to do it, he got "Zivas"...
===============

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:40
oris ( John Disney ) ID#238422:
My brother John......
Ziva changed from Ziva to Aysha, but still is working
for Iraqies. What a mess! I think I was initially right
about Ziva...Death to spies and provocators!!!

====================

Date: Tue Feb 10 1998 00:29
oris ( Ziva, I never called you Queen, but I called you PIZDA. )
ID#238422:
If you want to know what PIZDA means, and you really don't,
I'll translate for you...

===================
*

WARNING: this may be a long post for some of you,
in which case feel free to jump to the next post. THANK YOU.

ALL:
I was amazed at the overwhelming response to my posts
and how many times my name was mentioned today.
This is a GOLD site and NOT Ziva-club.
I therefor agree with BART regarding limiting myself.
He did not tell me how to,
I decided to limit myself to a one post a day ( until further notice ) ,
as I already achieved my goal of drawing your attention to WW3.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

REPLIES:

Date: Sun Feb 08 1998 20:14
WetGold ( WHY are U folks jumping ZIVA's bones ? ) ID#187218:
ZIVA has had some pretty good posts IMHO.


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 19:28
Argent ( Maligning Ziva - why? ) ID#255217:
I am a fairly recent newcomer to this site, so forgive my ignorance when I
ask: Why are so many of you down on Ziva? From what I have seen of her
comments, I find myself in agreement much of the time. I may be a
newcomer to this site, but I didn't just fall out of a tree. Go to it Ziva!
********************

WETGOLD & ARGENT:

The Internet is fun, But it is also a war.
It is a war between the most brilliant minds .
Unfortunately, the Trilateral employs
the best minds our society has to offer today.
Their agents are infesting
most influential discussion groups on the Internet.
In the past,
they resorted to PHYSICALLY destroying websites by remote programs,
similar to what happened to Kitco last year.
Now, the Trilateral are concentrating in
participating in discussion groups,
in order to disrupt or misinform or create falls impressions.
One of the most common ways to identify agents
is when they request you to send them your E-mail,
as it happen few times on this website.
You may have noticed that whoever complained about me,
did not argue with my data,
as my data proved to be correct most of the time,
but usually will attack me personally.
It is enough that just two or three agents
will complain about an individual to create the impression
that the majority in that group are against this person.

For your information, I NEED these kind of agents,
as they help me bring attention to my posts.
So please do not criticize them too much,
I dont want to loose them.

Most Kitcoits are high caliber people
and you dont have to hit them on the head too many times
before they get the message.
This is the reason why I do not have my Kitcoits in mind at all,
when I post.
My posts are directed at the thousands
or possibly millions ( how many, BART ? )
of people who read Kitco and never post.
Also, as my vocabulary is not sophisticated,
I am often delighted to find out that the response
to my posts is often much better than my original post
( read Spud Master 10:35 this morning ) .

I do not assert that everyone who comments negatively about me is a Trilateral agent, some are just fools or drunk, but it is part of the game. Some are just too upset as my new approaches demolished their outdated paradigms.
http://www.kitcomm.com/comments/gold/1998q1/1998_02/980209.180435.zivaeeeee.htm

I dont indulge myself in endlessly regurgitating old information,
I do my best to provide FRESH, new approaches to analysis of GOLD performance, and world events which will effect GOLD performance. You could see that I am unconventional by some Kitcoits standards, as they are mostly not familiar with modern Technology in the
field of the Paranormal. I was attacked brutally, but it does not bother me at all.

The more Hell I raise in this forum, the more I know that I hit home.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY to the public who reads us in this forum to debate both sides of the coin, especially if it is a GOLD coin. We can not allow a few GOLD traders to control and decide who will post here, especially since most of these traders have performed so dismally in the past, based on their posts. You may have noticed that most people who
follow the advice of GOLD experts on this forum in the past, have consistently lost money all the way from 400 down to 280.

I am working now on a new software program which I intend to sell to BART KITNER. This advance state of the art program, will automatically eliminate all the posts by drunks who are occasionally infesting this website past midnight. My program will incorporate a new technique developed by the Zimbabwe Police for detecting alcohol levels in Email.

========================================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:16
Aysha ( Ziva... Queen of Kitco...Keep the truth flowing ) ID#250165:
I have been following the forum .........
http://WWW.MiddleEast.org ..........
Aysha - Queen of Asia
****************

Dear Aysha Queen of Asia,
Thank you for your post.
I would like to inform you that BART requested me
to renounce my Title QUEEN of KITCO.
You may approach me simply as ZIVA in the future.

As to your post:
It is very obvious that you are not an American and not Jewish.
It is better therefore that you will not participate in this war-conversation, and let me do the
dirty job. Most of us here are proud Americans & Jewish,
despise Saddam and love Israel.
SO, we can afford to criticize Clinton and Israel and try to be fare towards the Arabs at the same time.
I love you, but you simply do not have any chance to convince anyone here, we will always point a finger at you as the *enemy*.
I hope you will participate in the future in this forum. Try to provide new ideas instead of just supporting me, I do not need any help. If you have an interesting websites that represent the Arab points of views will be very happy if you will post them. We the Jews suffered more than anyone else in history, it is very sad we did not learn anything from history. I wish you the best.
Ziva


============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:24
AYORK ( ZIVA'S TRUTHS ) ID#20167:
Your 17:15 post is very interesting
and you sure stirred up a hornets nest
afterwards.
Since you have an excellent ability
to prognosticate, what is your
prognosis for the price of gold
and silver for 1998?
************

AYORK:
Look around you, the whole world is collapsing and the Trilateral are forcing us into WW3 to take our minds off the economy. Just as I told you last year, when I was not allowed to mention WW3 in this forum.

The Trilateral audacity to start WW3,
with the excuse that Saddam refuse to let us inspect his bedroom !!!
The Trilateral know what they are doing, they tested us at Waco.
We did not say anything at Waco, we will not say anything now.
( in compliance with Kitcos guidelines, all you international Kitcoits,
who are not familiar with Waco, go to this website:
http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ )

Whatever is coming will be much worse than Waco.
This time we will pay the price for being silent during Waco.
I will be very surprised if PHYSICAL GOLD will be below 1000 by the end of 1998.

BUT !!! I also said that sometime during 1999
gold will have no value
as there will be no one around to trade it,
just as there is no one in Waco today.
I expect a fully spread war in October, this year.
There will be no winners in this war.


Let me stress what I said last year:
My sources indicate that when Gold starts moving
it will move up so fast that no one will have a chance to get in.
What will cause this sharp upheaval I dont know.
It could be WW3, collapse of the economy, The Central Banks, Devaluation, New currency, oil-exchange, etc.

I am not a prophet.
I am just an old lady in the bush who uses common-sense.
You have to make up your own mind.
All my information comes from the Internet
I just use my intuition when I process it,
take it or leave it, I can not prove anything.

Re: Silver, I never had any interest in silver and this is the first time that silver is ever mentioned in my post. I see it as just another commodity, respectfully.

GOLD is in a class by itself, nothing else comes even close.

================================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:10
tricky ( What is Ziva referring to when he says... ) ID#304282:
remote viewing?
*******************

TRICKY:
Remote Viewing is the natural ability that all of us have
to go into a Trance State and to be able to see anyone or anything instantly around the world or on the moon, in the future or in the past. Time, does not exist, it is an illusion. It is an illusion that we invented to disguise our incompetence on this subject.
There are schools that will teach you to do Remote Viewing in the USA and Europe. The CIA already admitted using it since the seventies. All Intelligence organizations around the world today are now
using Remote Viewing actively for spying as well as the Vatican.
American scientists ( Dr. Hal Puthoff of Stanford Research Institute, in Menlo Park, Ca ) already admitted predicting successfully the commodities markets in the seventies. All the information of his research was handed to the Pentagon/NSA/Trilateral as they have paid for it.
I will be surprised if they did not use it for the last 25 years, while our kitcoits are still analyzing Elliot Waves, and loosing money.

DO YOU HOMEWORK TRICKY, USE THE INTERNET !

As you seem to be a newcomer, I will give you just three URLs from my library of hundreds of URLs, just on the subject of Remote Viewing:

http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Welcome.html
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/RealStoryMain.html
http://www.ameritel.net/lusers/rviewer/

You will find there dozens of additional links.

========================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:56
TYoung ( Ziva ) ID#317193:
All true prophets were persecuted by government ................
A post of any kind, from you, evidencing humor, in any form,
would be most appreciated. Life is without purpose without JOY and
LOVE. Please be so kind as to help give my life purpose with some, if not
all, of your future posts. Smile-laugh-ENJOY life. Thank you for thoughts.
Tom
**************

TOM:
You must be new around here
I provided many jokes here in the past,
mostly Jewish jokes,
as well as famous statements by pillars of society
and philosophers quotes.

IF I sounded mad recently it is because
I realized that we are plunging fast into WW3
and I wanted to raise Hell fast
before we are all dead.
I was joking about my husbands secretary,
but, he did have one, 22 years ago before he retired.

======================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:20
JIN ( ZIVA! You know better than me..right?! ) ID#206358:
Ziva,
Thanks for the site which you introduced to me recently, Red alert news....
Actually, I found that most of the news/infos you and some friends about
ASIA are faster and more accurate than me......
***********

JIN:
I introduced our Kitcoits to this source of information last month,
as most other major news agencies seem to be under the control of the Intelligence community.
http://www.stratfor.com/mail/
ALL the feedback from Kitcoits regarding this RED ALERT were positive.

==================================

BART KITNER:
Let me remind you some of your guidelines:

Conduct Guidelines for the Kitco Discussion Groups
THINGS TO AVOID:
Dont use profanities or foul language.
Dont make any insulting remarks or statements
that provoke other participants.
Dont post any unrelated comments that are likely to
arouse a strong emotional response.

BART, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE FOLLOWING THREE POSTS
COMPLY WITH YOUR GUIDELINES ?
============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:48
oris ( Algae\Why Saddam is not talking directly? ) ID#238422:
He does not need to do it, he got "Zivas"...
===============

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:40
oris ( John Disney ) ID#238422:
My brother John......
Ziva changed from Ziva to Aysha, but still is working
for Iraqies. What a mess! I think I was initially right
about Ziva...Death to spies and provocators!!!

====================

Date: Tue Feb 10 1998 00:29
oris ( Ziva, I never called you Queen, but I called you PIZDA. )
ID#238422:
If you want to know what PIZDA means, and you really don't,
I'll translate for you...

===================
*

WARNING: this may be a long post for some of you,
in which case feel free to jump to the next post. THANK YOU.

ALL:
I was amazed at the overwhelming response to my posts
and how many times my name was mentioned today.
This is a GOLD site and NOT Ziva-club.
I therefor agree with BART regarding limiting myself.
He did not tell me how to,
I decided to limit myself to a one post a day ( until further notice ) ,
as I already achieved my goal of drawing your attention to WW3.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

REPLIES:

Date: Sun Feb 08 1998 20:14
WetGold ( WHY are U folks jumping ZIVA's bones ? ) ID#187218:
ZIVA has had some pretty good posts IMHO.


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 19:28
Argent ( Maligning Ziva - why? ) ID#255217:
I am a fairly recent newcomer to this site, so forgive my ignorance when I
ask: Why are so many of you down on Ziva? From what I have seen of her
comments, I find myself in agreement much of the time. I may be a
newcomer to this site, but I didn't just fall out of a tree. Go to it Ziva!
********************

WETGOLD & ARGENT:

The Internet is fun, But it is also a war.
It is a war between the most brilliant minds .
Unfortunately, the Trilateral employs
the best minds our society has to offer today.
Their agents are infesting
most influential discussion groups on the Internet.
In the past,
they resorted to PHYSICALLY destroying websites by remote programs,
similar to what happened to Kitco last year.
Now, the Trilateral are concentrating in
participating in discussion groups,
in order to disrupt or misinform or create falls impressions.
One of the most common ways to identify agents
is when they request you to send them your E-mail,
as it happen few times on this website.
You may have noticed that whoever complained about me,
did not argue with my data,
as my data proved to be correct most of the time,
but usually will attack me personally.
It is enough that just two or three agents
will complain about an individual to create the impression
that the majority in that group are against this person.

For your information, I NEED these kind of agents,
as they help me bring attention to my posts.
So please do not criticize them too much,
I dont want to loose them.

Most Kitcoits are high caliber people
and you dont have to hit them on the head too many times
before they get the message.
This is the reason why I do not have my Kitcoits in mind at all,
when I post.
My posts are directed at the thousands
or possibly millions ( how many, BART ? )
of people who read Kitco and never post.
Also, as my vocabulary is not sophisticated,
I am often delighted to find out that the response
to my posts is often much better than my original post
( read Spud Master 10:35 this morning ) .

I do not assert that everyone who comments negatively about me is a Trilateral agent, some are just fools or drunk, but it is part of the game. Some are just too upset as my new approaches demolished their outdated paradigms.
http://www.kitcomm.com/comments/gold/1998q1/1998_02/980209.180435.zivaeeeee.htm

I dont indulge myself in endlessly regurgitating old information,
I do my best to provide FRESH, new approaches to analysis of GOLD performance, and world events which will effect GOLD performance. You could see that I am unconventional by some Kitcoits standards, as they are mostly not familiar with modern Technology in the
field of the Paranormal. I was attacked brutally, but it does not bother me at all.

The more Hell I raise in this forum, the more I know that I hit home.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY to the public who reads us in this forum to debate both sides of the coin, especially if it is a GOLD coin. We can not allow a few GOLD traders to control and decide who will post here, especially since most of these traders have performed so dismally in the past, based on their posts. You may have noticed that most people who
follow the advice of GOLD experts on this forum in the past, have consistently lost money all the way from 400 down to 280.

I am working now on a new software program which I intend to sell to BART KITNER. This advance state of the art program, will automatically eliminate all the posts by drunks who are occasionally infesting this website past midnight. My program will incorporate a new technique developed by the Zimbabwe Police for detecting alcohol levels in Email.

========================================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:16
Aysha ( Ziva... Queen of Kitco...Keep the truth flowing ) ID#250165:
I have been following the forum .........
http://WWW.MiddleEast.org ..........
Aysha - Queen of Asia
****************

Dear Aysha Queen of Asia,
Thank you for your post.
I would like to inform you that BART requested me
to renounce my Title QUEEN of KITCO.
You may approach me simply as ZIVA in the future.

As to your post:
It is very obvious that you are not an American and not Jewish.
It is better therefore that you will not participate in this war-conversation, and let me do the
dirty job. Most of us here are proud Americans & Jewish,
despise Saddam and love Israel.
SO, we can afford to criticize Clinton and Israel and try to be fare towards the Arabs at the same time.
I love you, but you simply do not have any chance to convince anyone here, we will always point a finger at you as the *enemy*.
I hope you will participate in the future in this forum. Try to provide new ideas instead of just supporting me, I do not need any help. If you have an interesting websites that represent the Arab points of views will be very happy if you will post them. We the Jews suffered more than anyone else in history, it is very sad we did not learn anything from history. I wish you the best.
Ziva


============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:24
AYORK ( ZIVA'S TRUTHS ) ID#20167:
Your 17:15 post is very interesting
and you sure stirred up a hornets nest
afterwards.
Since you have an excellent ability
to prognosticate, what is your
prognosis for the price of gold
and silver for 1998?
************

AYORK:
Look around you, the whole world is collapsing and the Trilateral are forcing us into WW3 to take our minds off the economy. Just as I told you last year, when I was not allowed to mention WW3 in this forum.

The Trilateral audacity to start WW3,
with the excuse that Saddam refuse to let us inspect his bedroom !!!
The Trilateral know what they are doing, they tested us at Waco.
We did not say anything at Waco, we will not say anything now.
( in compliance with Kitcos guidelines, all you international Kitcoits,
who are not familiar with Waco, go to this website:
http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ )

Whatever is coming will be much worse than Waco.
This time we will pay the price for being silent during Waco.
I will be very surprised if PHYSICAL GOLD will be below 1000 by the end of 1998.

BUT !!! I also said that sometime during 1999
gold will have no value
as there will be no one around to trade it,
just as there is no one in Waco today.
I expect a fully spread war in October, this year.
There will be no winners in this war.


Let me stress what I said last year:
My sources indicate that when Gold starts moving
it will move up so fast that no one will have a chance to get in.
What will cause this sharp upheaval I dont know.
It could be WW3, collapse of the economy, The Central Banks, Devaluation, New currency, oil-exchange, etc.

I am not a prophet.
I am just an old lady in the bush who uses common-sense.
You have to make up your own mind.
All my information comes from the Internet
I just use my intuition when I process it,
take it or leave it, I can not prove anything.

Re: Silver, I never had any interest in silver and this is the first time that silver is ever mentioned in my post. I see it as just another commodity, respectfully.

GOLD is in a class by itself, nothing else comes even close.

================================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:10
tricky ( What is Ziva referring to when he says... ) ID#304282:
remote viewing?
*******************

TRICKY:
Remote Viewing is the natural ability that all of us have
to go into a Trance State and to be able to see anyone or anything instantly around the world or on the moon, in the future or in the past. Time, does not exist, it is an illusion. It is an illusion that we invented to disguise our incompetence on this subject.
There are schools that will teach you to do Remote Viewing in the USA and Europe. The CIA already admitted using it since the seventies. All Intelligence organizations around the world today are now
using Remote Viewing actively for spying as well as the Vatican.
American scientists ( Dr. Hal Puthoff of Stanford Research Institute, in Menlo Park, Ca ) already admitted predicting successfully the commodities markets in the seventies. All the information of his research was handed to the Pentagon/NSA/Trilateral as they have paid for it.
I will be surprised if they did not use it for the last 25 years, while our kitcoits are still analyzing Elliot Waves, and loosing money.

DO YOU HOMEWORK TRICKY, USE THE INTERNET !

As you seem to be a newcomer, I will give you just three URLs from my library of hundreds of URLs, just on the subject of Remote Viewing:

http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Welcome.html
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/RealStoryMain.html
http://www.ameritel.net/lusers/rviewer/

You will find there dozens of additional links.

========================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:56
TYoung ( Ziva ) ID#317193:
All true prophets were persecuted by government ................
A post of any kind, from you, evidencing humor, in any form,
would be most appreciated. Life is without purpose without JOY and
LOVE. Please be so kind as to help give my life purpose with some, if not
all, of your future posts. Smile-laugh-ENJOY life. Thank you for thoughts.
Tom
**************

TOM:
You must be new around here
I provided many jokes here in the past,
mostly Jewish jokes,
as well as famous statements by pillars of society
and philosophers quotes.

IF I sounded mad recently it is because
I realized that we are plunging fast into WW3
and I wanted to raise Hell fast
before we are all dead.
I was joking about my husbands secretary,
but, he did have one, 22 years ago before he retired.

======================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:20
JIN ( ZIVA! You know better than me..right?! ) ID#206358:
Ziva,
Thanks for the site which you introduced to me recently, Red alert news....
Actually, I found that most of the news/infos you and some friends about
ASIA are faster and more accurate than me......
***********

JIN:
I introduced our Kitcoits to this source of information last month,
as most other major news agencies seem to be under the control of the Intelligence community.
http://www.stratfor.com/mail/
ALL the feedback from Kitcoits regarding this RED ALERT were positive.

==================================

BART KITNER:
Let me remind you some of your guidelines:

Conduct Guidelines for the Kitco Discussion Groups
THINGS TO AVOID:
Dont use profanities or foul language.
Dont make any insulting remarks or statements
that provoke other participants.
Dont post any unrelated comments that are likely to
arouse a strong emotional response.

BART, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE FOLLOWING THREE POSTS
COMPLY WITH YOUR GUIDELINES ?
============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:48
oris ( Algae\Why Saddam is not talking directly? ) ID#238422:
He does not need to do it, he got "Zivas"...
===============

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:40
oris ( John Disney ) ID#238422:
My brother John......
Ziva changed from Ziva to Aysha, but still is working
for Iraqies. What a mess! I think I was initially right
about Ziva...Death to spies and provocators!!!

====================

Date: Tue Feb 10 1998 00:29
oris ( Ziva, I never called you Queen, but I called you PIZDA. )
ID#238422:
If you want to know what PIZDA means, and you really don't,
I'll translate for you...

===================
*

WARNING: this may be a long post for some of you,
in which case feel free to jump to the next post. THANK YOU.

ALL:
I was amazed at the overwhelming response to my posts
and how many times my name was mentioned today.
This is a GOLD site and NOT Ziva-club.
I therefor agree with BART regarding limiting myself.
He did not tell me how to,
I decided to limit myself to a one post a day ( until further notice ) ,
as I already achieved my goal of drawing your attention to WW3.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

REPLIES:

Date: Sun Feb 08 1998 20:14
WetGold ( WHY are U folks jumping ZIVA's bones ? ) ID#187218:
ZIVA has had some pretty good posts IMHO.


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 19:28
Argent ( Maligning Ziva - why? ) ID#255217:
I am a fairly recent newcomer to this site, so forgive my ignorance when I
ask: Why are so many of you down on Ziva? From what I have seen of her
comments, I find myself in agreement much of the time. I may be a
newcomer to this site, but I didn't just fall out of a tree. Go to it Ziva!
********************

WETGOLD & ARGENT:

The Internet is fun, But it is also a war.
It is a war between the most brilliant minds .
Unfortunately, the Trilateral employs
the best minds our society has to offer today.
Their agents are infesting
most influential discussion groups on the Internet.
In the past,
they resorted to PHYSICALLY destroying websites by remote programs,
similar to what happened to Kitco last year.
Now, the Trilateral are concentrating in
participating in discussion groups,
in order to disrupt or misinform or create falls impressions.
One of the most common ways to identify agents
is when they request you to send them your E-mail,
as it happen few times on this website.
You may have noticed that whoever complained about me,
did not argue with my data,
as my data proved to be correct most of the time,
but usually will attack me personally.
It is enough that just two or three agents
will complain about an individual to create the impression
that the majority in that group are against this person.

For your information, I NEED these kind of agents,
as they help me bring attention to my posts.
So please do not criticize them too much,
I dont want to loose them.

Most Kitcoits are high caliber people
and you dont have to hit them on the head too many times
before they get the message.
This is the reason why I do not have my Kitcoits in mind at all,
when I post.
My posts are directed at the thousands
or possibly millions ( how many, BART ? )
of people who read Kitco and never post.
Also, as my vocabulary is not sophisticated,
I am often delighted to find out that the response
to my posts is often much better than my original post
( read Spud Master 10:35 this morning ) .

I do not assert that everyone who comments negatively about me is a Trilateral agent, some are just fools or drunk, but it is part of the game. Some are just too upset as my new approaches demolished their outdated paradigms.
http://www.kitcomm.com/comments/gold/1998q1/1998_02/980209.180435.zivaeeeee.htm

I dont indulge myself in endlessly regurgitating old information,
I do my best to provide FRESH, new approaches to analysis of GOLD performance, and world events which will effect GOLD performance. You could see that I am unconventional by some Kitcoits standards, as they are mostly not familiar with modern Technology in the
field of the Paranormal. I was attacked brutally, but it does not bother me at all.

The more Hell I raise in this forum, the more I know that I hit home.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY to the public who reads us in this forum to debate both sides of the coin, especially if it is a GOLD coin. We can not allow a few GOLD traders to control and decide who will post here, especially since most of these traders have performed so dismally in the past, based on their posts. You may have noticed that most people who
follow the advice of GOLD experts on this forum in the past, have consistently lost money all the way from 400 down to 280.

I am working now on a new software program which I intend to sell to BART KITNER. This advance state of the art program, will automatically eliminate all the posts by drunks who are occasionally infesting this website past midnight. My program will incorporate a new technique developed by the Zimbabwe Police for detecting alcohol levels in Email.

========================================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:16
Aysha ( Ziva... Queen of Kitco...Keep the truth flowing ) ID#250165:
I have been following the forum .........
http://WWW.MiddleEast.org ..........
Aysha - Queen of Asia
****************

Dear Aysha Queen of Asia,
Thank you for your post.
I would like to inform you that BART requested me
to renounce my Title QUEEN of KITCO.
You may approach me simply as ZIVA in the future.

As to your post:
It is very obvious that you are not an American and not Jewish.
It is better therefore that you will not participate in this war-conversation, and let me do the
dirty job. Most of us here are proud Americans & Jewish,
despise Saddam and love Israel.
SO, we can afford to criticize Clinton and Israel and try to be fare towards the Arabs at the same time.
I love you, but you simply do not have any chance to convince anyone here, we will always point a finger at you as the *enemy*.
I hope you will participate in the future in this forum. Try to provide new ideas instead of just supporting me, I do not need any help. If you have an interesting websites that represent the Arab points of views will be very happy if you will post them. We the Jews suffered more than anyone else in history, it is very sad we did not learn anything from history. I wish you the best.
Ziva


============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:24
AYORK ( ZIVA'S TRUTHS ) ID#20167:
Your 17:15 post is very interesting
and you sure stirred up a hornets nest
afterwards.
Since you have an excellent ability
to prognosticate, what is your
prognosis for the price of gold
and silver for 1998?
************

AYORK:
Look around you, the whole world is collapsing and the Trilateral are forcing us into WW3 to take our minds off the economy. Just as I told you last year, when I was not allowed to mention WW3 in this forum.

The Trilateral audacity to start WW3,
with the excuse that Saddam refuse to let us inspect his bedroom !!!
The Trilateral know what they are doing, they tested us at Waco.
We did not say anything at Waco, we will not say anything now.
( in compliance with Kitcos guidelines, all you international Kitcoits,
who are not familiar with Waco, go to this website:
http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ )

Whatever is coming will be much worse than Waco.
This time we will pay the price for being silent during Waco.
I will be very surprised if PHYSICAL GOLD will be below 1000 by the end of 1998.

BUT !!! I also said that sometime during 1999
gold will have no value
as there will be no one around to trade it,
just as there is no one in Waco today.
I expect a fully spread war in October, this year.
There will be no winners in this war.


Let me stress what I said last year:
My sources indicate that when Gold starts moving
it will move up so fast that no one will have a chance to get in.
What will cause this sharp upheaval I dont know.
It could be WW3, collapse of the economy, The Central Banks, Devaluation, New currency, oil-exchange, etc.

I am not a prophet.
I am just an old lady in the bush who uses common-sense.
You have to make up your own mind.
All my information comes from the Internet
I just use my intuition when I process it,
take it or leave it, I can not prove anything.

Re: Silver, I never had any interest in silver and this is the first time that silver is ever mentioned in my post. I see it as just another commodity, respectfully.

GOLD is in a class by itself, nothing else comes even close.

================================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 18:10
tricky ( What is Ziva referring to when he says... ) ID#304282:
remote viewing?
*******************

TRICKY:
Remote Viewing is the natural ability that all of us have
to go into a Trance State and to be able to see anyone or anything instantly around the world or on the moon, in the future or in the past. Time, does not exist, it is an illusion. It is an illusion that we invented to disguise our incompetence on this subject.
There are schools that will teach you to do Remote Viewing in the USA and Europe. The CIA already admitted using it since the seventies. All Intelligence organizations around the world today are now
using Remote Viewing actively for spying as well as the Vatican.
American scientists ( Dr. Hal Puthoff of Stanford Research Institute, in Menlo Park, Ca ) already admitted predicting successfully the commodities markets in the seventies. All the information of his research was handed to the Pentagon/NSA/Trilateral as they have paid for it.
I will be surprised if they did not use it for the last 25 years, while our kitcoits are still analyzing Elliot Waves, and loosing money.

DO YOU HOMEWORK TRICKY, USE THE INTERNET !

As you seem to be a newcomer, I will give you just three URLs from my library of hundreds of URLs, just on the subject of Remote Viewing:

http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Welcome.html
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/RealStoryMain.html
http://www.ameritel.net/lusers/rviewer/

You will find there dozens of additional links.

========================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:56
TYoung ( Ziva ) ID#317193:
All true prophets were persecuted by government ................
A post of any kind, from you, evidencing humor, in any form,
would be most appreciated. Life is without purpose without JOY and
LOVE. Please be so kind as to help give my life purpose with some, if not
all, of your future posts. Smile-laugh-ENJOY life. Thank you for thoughts.
Tom
**************

TOM:
You must be new around here
I provided many jokes here in the past,
mostly Jewish jokes,
as well as famous statements by pillars of society
and philosophers quotes.

IF I sounded mad recently it is because
I realized that we are plunging fast into WW3
and I wanted to raise Hell fast
before we are all dead.
I was joking about my husbands secretary,
but, he did have one, 22 years ago before he retired.

======================================


Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 20:20
JIN ( ZIVA! You know better than me..right?! ) ID#206358:
Ziva,
Thanks for the site which you introduced to me recently, Red alert news....
Actually, I found that most of the news/infos you and some friends about
ASIA are faster and more accurate than me......
***********

JIN:
I introduced our Kitcoits to this source of information last month,
as most other major news agencies seem to be under the control of the Intelligence community.
http://www.stratfor.com/mail/
ALL the feedback from Kitcoits regarding this RED ALERT were positive.

==================================

BART KITNER:
Let me remind you some of your guidelines:

Conduct Guidelines for the Kitco Discussion Groups
THINGS TO AVOID:
Dont use profanities or foul language.
Dont make any insulting remarks or statements
that provoke other participants.
Dont post any unrelated comments that are likely to
arouse a strong emotional response.

BART, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE FOLLOWING THREE POSTS
COMPLY WITH YOUR GUIDELINES ?
============================

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:48
oris ( Algae\Why Saddam is not talking directly? ) ID#238422:
He does not need to do it, he got "Zivas"...
===============

Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 21:40
oris ( John Disney ) ID#238422:
My brother John......
Ziva changed from Ziva to Aysha, but still is working
for Iraqies. What a mess! I think I was initially right
about Ziva...Death to spies and provocators!!!

====================

Date: Tue Feb 10 1998 00:29
oris ( Ziva, I never called you Queen, but I called you PIZDA. )
ID#238422:
If you want to know what PIZDA means, and you really don't,
I'll translate for you...

===================
*

Jman, Look I'm in deep. If gold gets
smashed, I might go with it. Not to
spoil the party here, but gold will do
what it's going to do. Up or down.
I placed my bets and I just have
sweaty palms thats all.

COMPUTER PROBLEM-MULTIPLE POST
REALLY APOLOGIZE
SORRY
ZIVA

The last time platinium had 'travails', Rhodium shot up.
Today it looks as if it ( R ) has again inched forward. There
is another game afoot, and a safe bet might well be it ( the game ) has NOTHING to do with the REAL uses of either metal, but rather the virtual uses of both...{:- )

Effectively, Kinross is picking up Amax for only .8 shares of its stock...and they're getting Cyprus Amax to forgive most of the Amax debt.

So, in effect, Kinross gets a debt-free company with some outstanding mines, with a much smaller than normal dilutive effect on the company.

No doubt Kinross has the most astute gold management in the entire industry. The company performance has really been outstanding to date. Thus, Amax shareholders are getting one thing of enormous value: a new management that has major high-powered brains instead of Amax's brain-dead management of the past.

Now, it looks as though Kinross is effecting this merger in preparation for an even bigger merger deal down the road. I feel confident that when it comes time for NEM or PDG or whomever to merge with the new Kinross, they will be paying much more than .8 share of company stock for each Kinross share.

With a rising POG ( of at least 350 ) and a future merger in the making, I would not be surprised if Kinross experiences well over 100% increase in their stock price by year's end.

Ted-I hear ya & feel the pain. Overall the business community here
needs a good shaky pinch. In an area with so little in terms of cash,
inefficiencies abound. In general u have to nag people to death in
this area to ensure it is done in a proper manner & we are not
effective at responding in an expeditious manner. This is stereotyping
but it is our Scottish background. Scotsmen-Jump On My Bones

Ted-I hear ya & feel the pain. Overall the business community here
needs a good shaky pinch. In an area with so little in terms of cash,
inefficiencies abound. In general u have to nag people to death in
this area to ensure it is done in a proper manner & we are not
effective at responding in an expeditious manner. This is stereotyping
but it is our Scottish background. Scotsmen-Jump On My Bones

Ted-I hear ya & feel the pain. Overall the business community here
needs a good shaky pinch. In an area with so little in terms of cash,
inefficiencies abound. In general u have to nag people to death in
this area to ensure it is done in a proper manner & we are not
effective at responding in an expeditious manner. This is stereotyping
but it is our Scottish background. Scotsmen-Jump On My Bones

Ted-I hear ya & feel the pain. Overall the business community here
needs a good shaky pinch. In an area with so little in terms of cash,
inefficiencies abound. In general u have to nag people to death in
this area to ensure it is done in a proper manner & we are not
effective at responding in an expeditious manner. This is stereotyping
but it is our Scottish background. Scotsmen-Jump On My Bones

Ted-I hear ya & feel the pain. Overall the business community here
needs a good shaky pinch. In an area with so little in terms of cash,
inefficiencies abound. In general u have to nag people to death in
this area to ensure it is done in a proper manner & we are not
effective at responding in an expeditious manner. This is stereotyping
but it is our Scottish background. Scotsmen-Jump On My Bones

Ted-I hear ya & feel the pain. Overall the business community here
needs a good shaky pinch. In an area with so little in terms of cash,
inefficiencies abound. In general u have to nag people to death in
this area to ensure it is done in a proper manner & we are not
effective at responding in an expeditious manner. This is stereotyping
but it is our Scottish background. Scotsmen-Jump On My Bones

Remember the "Sultan of the Swat", he struck out many times, but every fourth hit was a home run, had an amazing .342 life time batting average and hit a homer every seventh time at the plate, bases on ball not counted. ( All the above is from memory, so may be off )
So if you want to be a Heavy Hitter you have to play it cool, and if the right pitch is served up - swing for the fences.

SDRer: Why is this such great news? This is what started the problem in the first place -- namely that the SEAsian currencies were not floating -- and the dollar went up. Now, a currency basket approach -- if done professionally -- would convince me that the currency problem was being dealt with. I fail to see why investors are flocking to the gates of Indonesia, unless the 'herd' instinct ( 'flock? instinct' ) has taken over.
I sincerely hope the Hong Kong dollar is slowly being converted to a currency basket, before the hedge funds attack again. Pegging to the dollar is asking for trouble!
I feel guilty sometimes being bearish about the equities markets, because I do not want a crash or a correction to occur. But -- we must move back to reality soon -- simply because the longer we wait the harder it will be. I have wondered if the stories about the great depression were correct -- namely that the US suffered the longest and the most. At the time, we were one of the strongest markets, and last to be hit, nearly 5 years after Europe. Perhaps part of the 'greatness' of the US has been in our belief system -- our strong beliefs giving strength to the markets and the economy -- but the flip side is that when our beliefs are shaken, we suffer more too.
If there was a 5 year delay from the beginning of the deflationary cycle in Europe to its end in the US, the same could very well happen now. Hard to believe the US markets could go up any more, but if there is no where else attractive to invest, and the US is inflationing, we may not have seen the end of our equities bubble! What about all of those banks that are getting into the Brokerage business? What if the market correction occurs in 1999 or later? Y2K, perhaps?

Ted-I hear ya & feel the pain. Overall the business community here
needs a good shaky pinch. In an area with so little in terms of cash,
inefficiencies abound. In general u have to nag people to death in
this area to ensure it is done in a proper manner & we are not
effective at responding in an expeditious manner. This is stereotyping
but it is our Scottish background. Scotsmen-Jump On My Bones

I owned Kinross for 4 or 5 weeks & sold it last week because it started to lag the XAU. I have a real problem seeing how this merger with a high cost producer is beneficial. Of course, $400 Au would cure all their ills, but I don't think that is in the cards anytime soon.

THIS SITE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO
IT'S KNEES. YA CAN'T GET IN OR OUT NOW.
THE BAND WIDTH IS GONE. YA HOGGED IT
ALL. YOUR CANCELLED

Remember the "Sultan of the Swat", he struck out many times, but every fourth hit was a home run, had an amazing .342 life time batting average and struck out every seventh time at the plate, bases on ball not counted. ( All the above is from memory, so may be off )
So if you want to be a Heavy Hitter you have to play it cool, and if the right pitch is served up - swing for the fences. Good luck and I wish you become the Babe Ruth of Kitco.

THIS SITE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO
IT'S KNEES. YA CAN'T GET IN OR OUT NOW.
THE BAND WIDTH IS GONE. YA HOGGED IT
ALL. YOUR CANCELLED

I think I can understand that pretty well,it's just a rough
bussiness to be in and be overly afraid,fear is a type of
faith in the negative and will tend to atract that which
you are afraid of,so it might help to be positve. ( I'm trying
and it seems to at least make me feel better Ha good luck
and go gold!! )

Dow/Gold Ratio = 27.59 ( not a new high. Old closing high 28.44 )

Ya. I got physical platinum. Quite a bit of
it too. Got alittle bit of fruit today, but lost
some of the harvest here lately. Why don't
you buy a few tons of it, so we can all make
money.

Ya. I got physical platinum. Quite a bit of
it too. Got alittle bit of fruit today, but lost
some of the harvest here lately. Why don't
you buy a few tons of it, so we can all make
money.

Ya. I got physical platinum. Quite a bit of
it too. Got alittle bit of fruit today, but lost
some of the harvest here lately. Why don't
you buy a few tons of it, so we can all make
money.

XAU/Spot Ratio = .252

Date: Tue Feb 10 1998 17:13
Heavy Hitter ( MOZEL ) ID#403159:
If gold acts like it's going to
break $290, I'm out. Period
$600 gold yes, I will sell only
if it tops. But I can assure you
I will get out alittle early.

Brother Heavy: I am afraid gold will try to retest $290 before this bear is ravaged by the golden bull. I do feel your pain because all my liquid assets are in bullion coins and I have borrowed more $$$$ to buy again. My gold holding to date is the largest single investment I have ever made and I am looking to purchase more. This I believe is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I am willing to bet the farm. The worse part of my story is I am buying because of a gut feeling and I have Nooo ( 0,none,not ) Gold investing background. My actions are not to be considered prudent or wise in today's uncertain CB selling environment but I could not live with the knowledge that I missed the BIG ONE. Good luck!

P.S. If you decide to unload some of the barbaric metal from your vast hoards of gold, I am a buyer of 300 coins at spot plus 1% for 9999% pure gold coins.

Thanks for your last post. At a
time when it is needed

Thanks for your last post. At a
time when it is needed

I have a 12" computer monitor. Reading the diatribe from several regular contributors at Kitco is hard on the eyes, not to mention time consuming. I would appreciate everyone's effort at brevity ... LESS IS MORE !! If 8 paragraphs are REALLY needed to make a point, so be it.

Thanks for your last post. At a
time when it is needed

At this site we have been watching for the first moves AWAY
from the dollar ( visible moves ) -- undercover, they've already occured.
The article is of importance because it does NOT mention the dollar as a
possible peg...it says, "a currency..."
JUST AS ANOTHER said ...
We have stuff to post that will help bring these threads together for
the board. ( ? ) But will wait to next time segment when the flow and
frustration level abates! ( BUT it is NOT the dollar my friend! {:- ) ) )

Gold/Silver Ratio = 42.11

I keep my company private.
HeavyHitter, paper does not always win. I have worthless currencies, stock certificates, and bonds to prove it. I don't have a single worthless PM coin and never will. Get a grip. Unless you have an interest payment to meet on borrowed funds that you bought into PM with, stop watching the markets and go pick fruit. Your gold will be there when you come back inside and it will still be real substance. You can't take it with you, but it's not easy for them to take it from you. I would be a lot more anxious if I were depending for purchasing power on the promises of people who lie, cheat and steal.

I am contemplating lightening up to the tune of a couple bags of junk silver. I contacted Blanchard today who offered to buy at more than $1.00 below spot price ( $4300 ) and my local coin shop who offered to buy at $4550. Anyone know of a better deal? P.S. The coin shop is doing a brisk business, mostly buying silver and selling gold.

You too huh. I think it's going to be
a very rough ride. If and when gold
does blow, my only concern that
it does't go too high. Guys like us
may not have enough time to enjoy
it. Good investing. "Go gold" but not
too high.

You too huh. I think it's going to be
a very rough ride. If and when gold
does blow, my only concern that
it does't go too high. Guys like us
may not have enough time to enjoy
it. Good investing. "Go gold" but not
too high.

You too huh. I think it's going to be
a very rough ride. If and when gold
does blow, my only concern that
it does't go too high. Guys like us
may not have enough time to enjoy
it. Good investing. "Go gold" but not
too high.

You too huh. I think it's going to be
a very rough ride. If and when gold
does blow, my only concern that
it does't go too high. Guys like us
may not have enough time to enjoy
it. Good investing. "Go gold" but not
too high.

You too huh. I think it's going to be
a very rough ride. If and when gold
does blow, my only concern that
it does't go too high. Guys like us
may not have enough time to enjoy
it. Good investing. "Go gold" but not
too high.

You too huh. I think it's going to be
a very rough ride. If and when gold
does blow, my only concern that
it does't go too high. Guys like us
may not have enough time to enjoy
it. Good investing. "Go gold" but not
too high.

You too huh. I think it's going to be
a very rough ride. If and when gold
does blow, my only concern that
it does't go too high. Guys like us
may not have enough time to enjoy
it. Good investing. "Go gold" but not
too high.

You too huh. I think it's going to be
a very rough ride. If and when gold
does blow, my only concern that
it does't go too high. Guys like us
may not have enough time to enjoy
it. Good investing. "Go gold" but not
too high.

BREAKING STORIES: Email: steve@compsb.eepo.com.au

Rupiah surges on Peg Plan
http://www.hkstandard.com/online/finance/001/hksfin.htm

Camdessus puts Soeharto over a barrel?
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980211/world/wjakarta.html

Howard commits troops
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980211/news/news1.html

Australia to send SAS
http://www.smh.com.au/daily/content/980211/pageone/pageone1.html

Who daresdeadly role awaits SAS warriors
http://www.smh.com.au/daily/content/980211/pageone/pageone2.html

Israel prepares for the inevitable
http://www.smh.com.au/daily/content/980211/world/world6.html

Monetary Union will NOT work says 155 German Economists
http://www.smh.com.au/daily/content/980211/world/world10.html

Hong Kong: In the eye of a financial hurricane
http://www.businessweek.com/premium/07/b3565090.htm

IN REVIEW:

Why Howard backs Clinton
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980210/feature/feature1.html

Early shock wave hits Australia
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980210/news/news1.html

Defence Minister warns of poisoned waterholes
http://www.smh.com.au/daily/content/980210/pageone/pageone4.html

China almost certain to devalue currency
http://www.brw.com.au/root_brw/020298/brw46.htm

One Step closer to a Common Asian Currency Bloc
http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980207/singapore__1.html

The poor are growing restless at Davos
http://www.webpage.com:80/hindu/daily/980201/03/03010001.htm

Chinese Devaluation by August? Chinese Exporters hurting
http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980203/yuan_deval_1.html

Luxury goods to feel Asian pinch
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980207/news/news3.html

The wine explosion
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980207/news/news5.html

Reports of the end of Asia's crisis are greatly exaggerated
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980207/world/world3.html

The brainwashed return from Davos
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980207/world/world4.html

Richard "Mad Dog" Butlers Power Play
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980207/feature/feature1.html

The next Industrial Revolution - Post Kyoto
http://www.brw.com.au/brw34.htm

Car Makers in Asian Double Trouble
http://www.brw.com.au/brw03.htm

Russian Nickel & Platinum supplies greater than expected
http://www.brw.com.au/brw13.htm

Asian Crisis starts the year of living dangerously
http://www.brw.com.au/brw18.htm

WAs Millionaires secret Golden Triangle
http://www.brw.com.au/brw27.htm

Greenspan ensures high future money supply
http://www.golden-eagle.com/gold_digest_98/milhouse020298.html

Australias Constitutional Convention Home Page - Live
( Aussies blowing A$40 Million to stuff up a perfectly good system )
http://www.smh.com.au/republic98/

Soros's right-hand man earns his wagers
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980131/world/world2.html

Costly lure of Globalisation - Setting the Scene for a Yen bloc
http://www.brw.com.au/brw19.htm


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Many apologies. Bart has advised we are no longer able to
link our interesting news posts to our NON-commercial archive area.
Is this good policy? I am not sure. To the best of my knowledge
I have not received one red cent from inserting Colin Seymours
link on Kitco. Nor has Colin. Like you, we have spent countless
volunteer hours keeping all Kitcoers up to date on world events etc.
We too have been similarly blessed from your various emails & news
links on Kitco over the years. Please advise us by email what you think about "advertising" links on Kitco. We will then at a later date advise
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advance volumns which were followed by lateral advances.Current
lateral advances were HUGE.His was a cautious comparison.

Blanchard has changed their policies regarding numismatic and bullion buy and sell prices. They are the worst - I've been dealing with them for a long time.

Fact1: Blanchard & Company is owned by General Electric ( GE ) . They bought Blanchard's old company and the rights to use his name.

Fact2: Blanchard ( the live person ) owns "Jefferson Coin & Bullion" in the same state of LA. They have decent deals.

BREAKING STORIES: Email: steve@compsb.eepo.com.au

Rupiah surges on Peg Plan
http://www.hkstandard.com/online/finance/001/hksfin.htm

Camdessus puts Soeharto over a barrel?
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980211/world/wjakarta.html

Howard commits troops
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980211/news/news1.html

Australia to send SAS
http://www.smh.com.au/daily/content/980211/pageone/pageone1.html

Who daresdeadly role awaits SAS warriors
http://www.smh.com.au/daily/content/980211/pageone/pageone2.html

Israel prepares for the inevitable
http://www.smh.com.au/daily/content/980211/world/world6.html

Monetary Union will NOT work says 155 German Economists
http://www.smh.com.au/daily/content/980211/world/world10.html

Hong Kong: In the eye of a financial hurricane
http://www.businessweek.com/premium/07/b3565090.htm

IN REVIEW:

Why Howard backs Clinton
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980210/feature/feature1.html

Early shock wave hits Australia
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980210/news/news1.html

Defence Minister warns of poisoned waterholes
http://www.smh.com.au/daily/content/980210/pageone/pageone4.html

China almost certain to devalue currency
http://www.brw.com.au/root_brw/020298/brw46.htm

One Step closer to a Common Asian Currency Bloc
http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980207/singapore__1.html

The poor are growing restless at Davos
http://www.webpage.com:80/hindu/daily/980201/03/03010001.htm

Chinese Devaluation by August? Chinese Exporters hurting
http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980203/yuan_deval_1.html

Luxury goods to feel Asian pinch
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980207/news/news3.html

The wine explosion
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980207/news/news5.html

Reports of the end of Asia's crisis are greatly exaggerated
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980207/world/world3.html

The brainwashed return from Davos
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980207/world/world4.html

Richard "Mad Dog" Butlers Power Play
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980207/feature/feature1.html

The next Industrial Revolution - Post Kyoto
http://www.brw.com.au/brw34.htm

Car Makers in Asian Double Trouble
http://www.brw.com.au/brw03.htm

Russian Nickel & Platinum supplies greater than expected
http://www.brw.com.au/brw13.htm

Asian Crisis starts the year of living dangerously
http://www.brw.com.au/brw18.htm

WAs Millionaires secret Golden Triangle
http://www.brw.com.au/brw27.htm

Greenspan ensures high future money supply
http://www.golden-eagle.com/gold_digest_98/milhouse020298.html

Australias Constitutional Convention Home Page - Live
( Aussies blowing A$40 Million to stuff up a perfectly good system )
http://www.smh.com.au/republic98/

Soros's right-hand man earns his wagers
http://www.afr.com.au/content/980131/world/world2.html

Costly lure of Globalisation - Setting the Scene for a Yen bloc
http://www.brw.com.au/brw19.htm


BOOKMARK Steves News Page: ( Courtesy of Colin Seymour )
Many apologies. Bart has advised we are no longer able to
link our interesting news posts to our NON-commercial archive area.
Is this good policy? I am not sure. To the best of my knowledge
I have not received one red cent from inserting Colin Seymours
link on Kitco. Nor has Colin. Like you, we have spent countless
volunteer hours keeping all Kitcoers up to date on world events etc.
We too have been similarly blessed from your various emails & news
links on Kitco over the years. Please advise us by email what you think about "advertising" links on Kitco. We will then at a later date advise
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Interesting...

"Ziva" wants to get rid of me with Bart's help.
Why? Because it appears that I'm the only one for
now who thinks that this strange "Jewish woman"
works for this punk called Saddam Hussein...

May be I'm right.

Just a thought...

Steve-Perth
"... Many apologies. Bart has advised we are no longer able to link our interesting news posts to our NON-commercial archive area. Is this good policy? ... "

YES,,,,,YES,,,,,,,YES,,,,,,YES,,,,,,YES,,,,,YES,,,,,,,
@YES
@YES
@YES
@YES

I think you'll probably find that F.J. Vollmer ( 800 ) 447-8368 ( Bloomington IL ) , Dillon Gage ( 800 ) 375-4653 ( Dallas TX ) , or Bill Youngerman ( 800 ) 327-5010 ( Boca Raton FL ) will likely beat nearly anybody's prices on 90% silver bags.

Your local coin shop is working on less than $100.00 per bag....
and that is if he has a depot drop!!!! Might sour tomorrow as
conditions seem to be changing tonight.
Take care & good luck...
Barb

I for one like your posts eventhough it seems that it is believed as advertisements.

ONE THE THINGS THAT MAKES THIS SITE GREAT IN MY OPINION, IS THE FACT OF GETTING INFO ON WORLD EVENTS, WHICH AFFECT GOLD, @ ONE LOCATION.

For people like me that have limited amounts of time, it allows me to aquire lots more info in less time!

Thanks Steve

Your local coin shop is working on less than $100.00 per bag....
and that is if he has a depot drop!!!! Otherwise he is working
on $30 to $50 less because of shipping.

Take care & good luck...
Barb

SDRer: Re - your 19:29 -- My error! I didn't see that little dollar sign. Did you see my post to Jin this morning about his question about the possible linking of the Ringit to a basket of currencies? We also have learned just recently that an 'Asia only' basket might be born, using the Malaysian currency as well as others.

My post to Jin was that only a basket of currencies made sense, with less than 50% US dollar weighting.

If I had read your post more carefully, I would have seen that the Asian currency basket forces are gathering strength. Perhaps China and other Asian countries have enough gold to start their own gold-backed currency. As you know, my guess -- and yours -- is that the SEAsian countries will be the first to set up a true gold-backed currency, a la BIS. SEAsia just had their deflationary 'bounce' so they had their 'accident at the intersection'. Hence they will be the first to 'set up the streetlights' --ie, go onto the gold standard again.

Thanks again for your informative posts -- I should read more carefully before I post.

OOpsie! I thought you were buying, not selling. Don't know the best deals the other way.

Barb: Thats what he tells me as well but it never hurts to shop. I'll post what I find out. Thanks Barb, Silverbaron and Wetgold for your kind responses.

OOpsie! I thought you were buying, not selling. Don't know the best deals the other way.

Your local coin shop is working on less than $100.00 per bag....
and that is if he has a depot drop!!!! Otherwise he is working
on $30 to $50 less because of shipping.

Take care & good luck...
Barb

OOpsie! I thought you were buying, not selling. Don't know the best deals the other way.

7611 words can be shortened? I for one have learned all I wish to know about some of her favorite topics.
One post per day of a reasonable length is probably fair. An inordinately long thing, containing more words than many of us have used in several months of posting, is not FAIR!!
Alas! I'll never know what she said, 'cause I'm gonna scroll on by her marathons from now on.
Granted, she has some valid points, but as has been mentioned b 4, many of us here have learned the facts long b 4 we came upon the kitco site.

ZIVA!! I AM TRYING to learn about the nuances of P.M. investing.

Give us a break and castrate that vocifewrous critter which resides within you!!
TIA!!

OOpsie! I thought you were buying, not selling. Don't know the best deals the other way.

Your local coin shop is working on less than $100.00 per bag....
and that is if he has a depot drop!!!! Otherwise he is working
on $30 to $50 less because of shipping.

Take care & good luck...
Barb

Your local coin shop is working on less than $100.00 per bag....
and that is if he has a depot drop!!!! Otherwise he is working
on $30 to $50 less because of shipping.

Take care & good luck...
Barb

I don't understand the recent spankings for people bringing timely information on the state of global finance and conflict to this forum. If it is bandwidth you are concerned about, charge money to belong to this discussion group. I would pay. It might be the cover charge necessary to remove a few wannabe's.

Sell banner space to those who wish to advertise. People would pay you. You could run your own banner for selling bullion and refining services. I am often surprised that you do not jump in and offer your goods when the conversation comes up.

Then you could make a living off this forum and you would not have to breathe toxic fumes for a living anymore. Me personally, I like working around the fumes but that is probably because I am too far gone.

Anyways, you have a nice network here and I think a loosening of policy is acceptable when it comes to people posting current events.

So sorry for the 4X post''s...BUT I really don't KNOW how it happened---
I even got disconnected from the Net...during posting!!!
Oh, Well---must be the CPU & HTTP monsters lurking out there somewhere???
I may be blonde, BUT not that blonde!!!!
Barb

February 10, 1998
Ex-U.S. presidents, policymakers back IMF funding

WASHINGTON ( Reuters ) - A coalition of business leaders, policymakers and ex-presidents will launch a media campaign on Wednesday urging Congress to approve ******huge******* payments to the International Monetary Fund and the United Nations.

The campaign -- the largest and most public so far by IMF supporters -- will begin with full-page advertisements in the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call.

The advertisements will urge members of ******Congress to approve $18 billion for the IMF and to pay back dues to the United Nations,******* organizers said. They will also warn that the financial crisis in Asia could cut U.S. growth and leave a trade deficit as high as $300 billion.

*********************
The coalition has more than 150 supporters, including former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford; former Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig and Warren Christopher; and former Treasury Secretaries Douglas Dillon, Henry Fowler, Michael Blumenthal and Lloyd Bentsen.
*****************

"The majority of the U.S. population support the U.N. and international involvement generally," said Peter Peterson, chairman of the investment banking firm, Blackstone Group, one of the campaign's organizers.

In addition to supporting IMF funding, Peterson said the coalition would urge *******Congress not to curb access******* to Treasury's Exchange Stabilization Fund.

The Treasury Department used the fund to bail out Mexico in 1995 and says it will tap the fund again if it needs money to pay the U.S. share of last year's international rescue deals for Indonesia and South Korea.

Legislation by Rep. Bernard Sanders, ***an independent from Vermont,*** would prohibit the administration from using more than $250 million from the fund without congressional approval.
http://canoe2.canoe.ca/ReutersNews/IMF-CONGRESS.html

With all the doom & gloom to-day,Most gold convertibles up by 1% to 2.5%
even the AMAX Prefered up almost 6%.since last week.Be patient these things take time.

Russia Threatens to Arm Baghdad
But will Saddam Remain in Power?

According to a report on Tuesday in the online edition of the Egyptian
newspaper Al-sha'b, the Russian government has warned Washington that
Russia will supply arms and humanitarian aid to Iraq if the United States
chooses to abandon diplomatic efforts and attacks Iraq. Al-Sha'b reported
that Baghdad requested 20 billion dollars in urgent military and
humanitarian aid from Russia. Baghdad, which already owes Russia 80
billion dollars, hopes to be able to pay off its debt once sanctions are
lifted. Al-Sha'b went on to report that Washington has monitored
heightened states of alert and increased military preparedness throughout
the Middle East, and has warned neighboring Arab states against providing
Iraq with military support.

If the Egyptian report is factual, then Russia has just moved even closer
to confrontation with the United States. Its previous threats of world war
are clearly not credible. Sending aid to Iraq is, on the other hand, quite
credible and therefore is in many ways more dangerous. The question is,
will Hussein be there after the U.S. attack to receive the arms?

We have noticed a curious juxtaposition of official U.S. statements on the
crisis in Iraq with the emerging balance of U.S. forces in the region,
suggesting that Washington may be expecting an Iraqi coup d'etat. U.S.
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright testified before the Senate on
Tuesday that, in the event U.S. air strikes contributed to toppling Saddam
Hussein, "it would create a situation which, for a time, would require the
presence of troops." The United States has accelerated its deployment of
ground troops to the region. Three thousand troops from Ft. Stewart are
being deployed to reinforce the 1,500 U.S. ground troops already in Kuwait.
The USS Tarawa and the USS Guam, amphibious assault ships each carrying a
2,000-man Marine Expeditionary Unit, are headed for the Persian Gulf.
Other U.S. ground forces in the region include 6,000 soldiers at the Prince
Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia and 10,000 soldiers engaged in military
exercises in Egypt.

Additionally, the list of potential U.S. targets has grown from suspected
chemical and biological agent sites to include command and control
installations, the Iraqi air force, and the Republican Guard. This
suggests a decapitation strike, aimed at disrupting Hussein's capability to
coordinate a defense of his hold on power.

Iraqi opposition forces also appear to be preparing for an altered post-air
strike environment. The rival Kurdish Democratic Party and Patriotic Union
of Kurdestan are planning a meeting on February 12 to settle outstanding
differences and stabilize their cease-fire. Iraqi Kurdestan's Conservative
Party public relations officer, Aram Muhammad Sa'id, declared in an
interview on Monday with the Iranian News Agency that Turkey's latest entry
into northern Iraq had the "green light" from the United States, and was
part of a U.S. plan to use air strikes to topple Hussein and dismember
Iraq. Finally, the Iraqi National Congress has reported that Baath Party
and military officials have begun evacuating southern Iraq, lest an
uprising follow U.S. air strikes.

Many in the U.S. Congress have asserted the need for an "end game" that
removes Saddam Hussein from power, but thus far the U.S. has been unable to
foment or coordinate an overthrow of Hussein. If it is to be successful,
we will not know for certain about a coup plot's existence until it is
underway. But circumstances do hint that something may be in the works.
Baghdad has evidently noticed this, as Iraqi Foreign Minister Saeed al-
Sahhaf asserted on Tuesday that the U.S. would fail to topple the Iraqi
regime, since Hussein had the support of the Iraqi people.

The question is this: is there a real possibility of a coup in Baghdad or
is this part of U.S. psychological warfare against Iraq? In a way, the
possibility of a coup is more reasonable an explanation for U.S. behavior
than the idea that the U.S. is going to mount an air campaign against
chemical and biological weapons. What is not clear is whether a coup has a
real chance or whether this is just wishful thinking on the part of the
United States. And it is not clear what Russia would do if the coup turned
into a protracted internal struggle.

watch the grain's over the next couple of days .....Also the metals......

they're the trade at the moment.....paper is becoming a loosing investment....Remember in a deflation the commodities are the only thing that increase in value not paper.....Even tho the market is going up at the moment is looks almost certain that it won't be able to hold onto those gains without action by the fed.....watch the bond market tomorrow and you will understand

today's move on the futures didn't really convince me that we are in a full blown bull market....Infact I'm sure of it......

in the grains I'm long the wheat.....and in the metals I'm long the copper and will long the gold also today

copper had a nice day today, spreads even tightened slightly.

Re the payments to the United Nations and IMF. I say let all those who put their names on the ads put up their money first.

Caper ( 18:41 ) Yer right on the money and hopefully things can improve...eh!

There should be an index of what I would call "shrillness". As the situation unravels, IMHO, there seems to be more and more of the fingers plugging the imaginary dike of financial stability. The note of 6pak at 21:29 is indicative of the situation. Calm is imperative. We must remain calm. The higher and higher the markets go, the calmer I shall be, because I know that the outcome is that more certain. Ever more, the situation depends on a growing feedstock of money supply and new investors. This should signal caution in all but the most reckless of investors. Be Careful.

Selby: That early mornin rally fizzled out pretty quickly~~~~

There she blows DOW 8300. Yep, his
uncanny ability to predict the markets
is unsurpassed. Swell guy that Puetz.
It was all free too. This is truly a special
time for those who bought puts. What
well his followers do with all those wind fall
profits. I'm sure there having fun right
now enjoying those big gains at Ben & Jerrys
ice cream. I'm sure kicking myself now for
hopping aboard the Puetz choo choo train.

There she blows DOW 8300. Yep, his
uncanny ability to predict the markets
is unsurpassed. Swell guy that Puetz.
It was all free too. This is truly a special
time for those who bought puts. What
well his followers do with all those wind fall
profits. I'm sure there having fun right
now enjoying those big gains at Ben & Jerrys
ice cream. I'm sure kicking myself now for
hopping aboard the Puetz choo choo train.

I think what ZIVA says is of much significance. I particularly agree that gold will skyrocket then become basically worthless because it won't relate much to basic items of survival. We maybe shouldn't wish too hard for gold to achiveve such great prominence.

Let's get away from the daily flux. We are all waiting for "THE BIG MOVE UP". Evey time it DOESN'T happen we get tired and cranky. We were at 272.25 for a few moments just a few weeks ago. Low 280's were there for a while. We are back up in the 300 range. Its holding pretty steady. That's not a bad move folks. $20. We are base building here. Needs to happen so that people feel safe bidding more later. People will look back at this and say 'SUPPORT LEVEL'. This is not crisis time yet so we are seeing a typical market in action. It will move up again. 385 is the mean for this market over the past few years. That's a 30% move just to return to the mean. Gotta happen, just give it time.

I don't know about wheat. but may corn and oats look like down movers to me and soybeans also.
Farm prices typically collapse before equity prices.
At least I think they did in some previous deflations.
Counter comment solicited.

Consider the source ( ZIVA ) before you
jump to those conclusions. When they
can manufacture gold from scrap materials
then I think it's safe to discard it.

Jin, SDRer: I think you should both look at this AFR post. Jin apparently was right this morning -- daring peg to US dollar to prevent runaway inflation in Indonesia. My guess is that the currency board stuff will come later, when the dust settles. Hence -- no shift to non-US currencies in SEAsia yet! But -- just a matter of time.

http://www.afr.com.au/content/980211/world/wjakarta.html

http://junior.apk.net/~jbarta/idiot/idiot.html

It's no different on a 21" --- believe me!!!

OK, you got me and I laughed out loud....1st time today!
Thank you.....

I WIN. Does that mean gold goes up?

George S. Cole is dead

Long live 8300 and beyond.


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All: New post from Washington Weekly -

'D.C. Police silent on murder of Former White House Intern'

http://www.federal.com/feb09-98/Story01.html

There is hope for American Democracy after all -- the Internet Strikes again! Government coverups have been suspected for years, but now with the Internet, suspicious activities can be displayed for the truth eventually to come out. I am not saying that Internet news is accurate -- but it is probably no more inaccurate than the stuff we read in the papers or get on the radio/TV.

I also learned that there are now 4 ( repeat 4 ) AFIP forensic pathologists who now claim that Ron Brown's ( un ) autopsy was bungled ( putting it nicely ) , and key x-rays somehow lost ( very rare occurrence for AFIP ) . Given the stellar reputation of the AFIP, and their reputation for telling the truth, I believe them, not the 'official' story.

Finally, I learned tonight the Christopher Ruddy has photos on the net of Ron Brown's aircraft that crashed ( Bosnia? ) . The photos clearly show that the tail of the plane remained intact, and one Nurse/Stwardess could very well have survived -- apparently long enough to be rescued. Mysteriously, she died suddenly enroute to a hospital. Also, according to Chris Ruddy's AFIP connection, Ron Brown's significant injuries only consisted of a survivable fractured pelvis, and a mysterious nearly perfectly 'hole' on the top of his head, having fine bone fractures consistent with an entering projectile.

I now understand why K. Starr's investigation is so difficult, and why he needs support from the public and the news media. If you take all the circumstantial evidence seriously, you conclude that there is a group of powerful individuals in our government who will stop at nothing to achieve their ends. BC may not even be aware of their activities. But -- if there is such an organization, I wonder how mlong he would last if his usefulness were to end. I can only hope that the tide is turning these individuals before it is to late for our democratic system. At least we are not in the same situation yet that Russia is in -- so there is still hope that we can cleanse ourselves of this corruption. And -- just like in one of those Robert Ludlum novels, if the above does turn out to be true, I hope all of this never becomes public knowledge.